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Helloo, hello, hello, hello........ Echo, echo, echo, echo........

2009-11-06T19:37:50Z

Hey, where did everyone go? :-)

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Calendar: Fete Ghede: November 1 & 2

2009-11-02T17:51:50Z

Following the Calendar is a way to honor the Loas and Spirits in Vodou. The upcoming Fete Ghede (or Fet Gede) is celebrated in Haiti and also in New Orleans.....here are some interesting facts about Papa Ghede and his special time of the year---

Karen McCarthy Brown describes the dynamic deity Gede in her book, __Mama Lola__:

"Papa Gede, as Alourdes [Mama Lola] calls him, is a trickster spirit. Through his randy, playful, childish, and childlike personality Gede raises life energy and redefines the most painful situation — even death itself — as one worth a good laugh. Gede is a transformation artist, and this is the reason he is also the principal healer among the Vodou lwa.

Gede is the Vodou spirit who presides over the realms of sex, death, and humor. His possession-performances vary along a spectrum that tracks the path of a human life. He eats with his hands and sometimes throws his food like an infant. Like a two-year-old, he delights in saying naughty words. He is horny and predatory with women, like a young man with raging hormones. Like a favorite uncle, he hunkers down with the faithful and listens with genuine care to the most homely of their complains…

Gede has license to break all the social rules. … Haitians are, in general, a discreet and proper people. Lacking physical privacy, they strongly emphasize good manners. It is, for example, highly insulting to call a person malelve (badly reared); were Gede not a spirit, he would be a prime candidate for this insult. He can say all the things that are forbidden in polite company, act out the impulses others must suppress. … He alone can satirize the powerful and the privileged; only Gede could get away with making fun of Catholic priests. …

Gede takes people on a journey through their most out-of-control selves and, in so doing, prepares them to move back into the ordinary world where reserve and control must reign. Yet Gede's possession-performances should not be mistaken for mere entertainment.

Gede brings to the surface a connection between sexuality and life energy pervasive in Vodou spirituality. All Vodou rituals aim to echofe (heat things up). To raise heat, to raise luck, to raise life energy, to intensify sexuality in the broadest sense — these are all more or less the same process. The arrival of Gede at the end of a Vodou ceremony provides an extra, intense dose of the power needed to conquer life, to use it and enjoy it, rather than be conquered by it."

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http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/vodou/particulars.shtml

Fet Gede - the Vodou Festival of the Ancestors
by Ross Heaven

We carry the past around with us. It is in our memories, in the "ether" that surrounds us, in our family history - and, perhaps, in our cellular memory. Recent studies have shown that transplant patients inherit more than just organs when they take on the cells of some other person; they also take on the memories associated with the donor1. And yet, how often we deny the past and pretend we are mavericks, pioneers of the future. That is, until the past catches up with us and we must come face to face with the personal history we have denied ourselves.

It can be a shocking and sometimes painful experience to learn that you are not as free as you thought you were- that you are carrying around echoes of the past in your soul, even though your thoughts and intentions are pointed at the future. In one of the exercises I teach on my workshops, participants take a journey into their own ancestral history to meet with their forebears to understand the gifts and the burdens that these ancestors have passed down to them. In addition to discovering their talents and skills - and, sometimes, opportunities in life that these distant relatives have given them - it is not unusual to discover that current illnesses and life problems also have roots in the past. The shame of a long-past event can get lodged somehow in the cells of the body at the place corresponding to an earlier historical abuse. One woman discovered, for example, that her current problem of stress-related self-harming (to her stomach area, across the womb) had its cause in the rape of one of her ancestors four centuries before. In such ways, the past catches up with us. Only by confronting it can we become free to move into a healthier, more powerful, future.

Modern science and psychiatry is, at best, ambivalent (and, often, dismissive) of such historical connections. But traditional societies - which are more inclined to honour and understand the contribution our ancestors continue to make to our world - see clearly the therapeutic value of dealing with past issues through an ongoing relationship with those who have gone before us.

Fet Gede in Haiti is just such a past-honouring event. Known as the Festival of the Ancestors, Fet Gede (Fet = Festival, Gede = The Sacred Dead) is the Vodou equivalent of Mardi Gras, the Mexican Day of the Dead, and Halloween, all in one. People dress up, take to the streets, dance their communion with the ancestors, and walk in processions to the graveyards where they feed their ancestral dead with the gifts of their own table. In this way, spirits are honoured and their protection is gained for the coming year.

In peristyles (churches) up and down the country, there is music, dancing and feasting. The priests and the people come together, and there is enough drumming, singing, and laughter to – literally! – raise the dead. It is a time for celebration, for reconnecting with the past, and preparing for the future, with music, processions, sacred rituals and spiritual observances taking place throughout.

Connecting with the ancestors in this way opens new doors to understanding not only the past influences that have played their part in shaping our lives, but, often, the current issues we are facing. By reconnecting with our past, these issues are resolved through new insights into our lives. Our pathways into the future also become clearer. It is heartening to know that our ancestors are not lost to us, but continue to play a part in our lives by offering us their love and care from the world of the spirit.

During the ceremonies of Fet Gede, there is always a spiritual procession to the cemetery, with ancestral services at the Cross of Baron, the lwa who is guardian of the cemetery, the crossroads, the bridge between life and death, and head of the family of Gedes (the ancestors). With riotous good humour, Baron is a gentle protector of his people and of children. There is a story in Haiti of a mass manifestation of 30 Barons who marched fearlessly on the Presidential Palace to demand justice for the people during the turbulent days of the now long-gone Duvalier regime. Even the dictator Duvalier had to listen to the will of Baron, and the policy which offended the lwa was duly changed!

One of the most moving ceremonies of this week is an ancestral service at kay mo (House of the Ancestors) that each Houngan has as part of his peristyle. People often bring with them photographs or other images of ancestors they wish to honour, and any special offerings of food or drink enjoyed by those ancestors during their lives. They then make a personal service of reverence for their loved ones, which enables them to let go of unhelpful influences from the past as well as thanking the ancestors and accepting their helpful gifts for the future.

In order to be all that we can be in our lives, we must know where we have come from and what influences have shaped us and continue to play a part in our present. Only by truly knowing ourselves can we hope to be free.

The Western world has largely abandoned the past and become future-orientated and fixated on achievement. Very rarely do we look – and learn – from the past and where we have come from. Perhaps if we did, we could avoid some of the personal and global problems we experience in the world today. If we embraced an understanding of the true impact of the last war, for example, perhaps we would be less inclined to run headlong into the next one.

Paradoxically, we call ourselves "developed" and "civilized" in the Western world. But it is traditional societies – those which are "undeveloped" and "uncivilised" – which often hold the key to a real understanding of the world.

By offering insight into the past, Fet Gede frees people from the patterns and habits they can so easily and thoughtlessly repeat, and prepares them for a better future where they can achieve happiness and greater richness in their lives.

REFERENCES

1 Heaven, R. The Journey To You: A Shaman’s Path to Empowerment. Bantam Books, 2001

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men who fear voodoo

2009-10-21T05:01:18Z

I always meet a nice guy, up until I bring him home, they see my bookshelf and say oh, you do voodoo, I'm not eating any of your food, and I'm like what you mean by that, and they always say something dumb like, I aint eating no voodoo spaghetti, I get tired of hearing it!!

I'm not gonna hide my books or tarot cards, does anyone else go through this, I just want some love : )

Peace
Lena

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Has anyone else heard of...

2009-10-19T19:09:12Z

Has anyone else heard of this deity ( http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/african-mythology.php?deity=FA )? I'm sure it's related to Ifa and the seashells, but I haven't heard of this "story" before, and found it intriguing (if not dubious).

Also, feel free to post other questionable tidbits of information you hear, so that we might help find out what's truth and what's fiction.

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National African Religion Congress

2009-10-17T19:16:35Z

This organization is doing a lot of good things:

http://narcworld.com/home.html

I found the link for it on the page of its founder, Gro Mambo Angélá Noványón Idizol:

http://www.leperistylehaitiansanctuary.com/gmani.html

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Need for initation?

2009-10-14T22:20:43Z

Do you think there is need for initation to incorpirate the Loas in one life? To truley understand and worship probably should one find a teacher or can one go by calling alone.

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Altars in the bedroom?

2009-10-14T19:13:34Z

I have heard that an altar in your bedroom is a bad idea for a number of reasons. I just wanted to know if anyone on here has heard of this or believe it to be true.

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Carrefour

2009-10-13T07:33:24Z

The scene' subterranean dungeon of a great castle' four doors with long corridors'
I' walks' Carrefour from E' long black staff in both hands'
Unrolling staff' pulling cloth surround' and lays upon the ground' the centre of the wrap a sword (Ethane)
Using the sword to flatten out the black cloth of which reveals a golden zodiac star'

Taking Ethane in right hand' flashing three times across the top of the golden light embroideries'

The world as known dissects into four gates'

A sword moving every which way within a sphere at each + passage'

Elements' metals N' minerals are placed at each point of the zodiac star'

Follow the patterns' ask' the North' West' South' East' gate' opens into a subarrianianan world' under the oceans'

Greated by a lady Diane' I primal creation of beauty and wisdom's'
Smiling sweetly coming closer' snakes writhe from her mouth' hidden wisdom's imbibed' to coil :)))

Tree stands speaking' Enit' gentle roar unto the sky'
Two snakes upon the ground' white as sun bleached stone' lady stands in red'
Mouth fills with earth' gentle breezes' clean green leaves'
Tree bends N' says "Hell'o"

Primal mud rises and takes form in green bubbling goo'
Hands' head' eyes' rising from the mud of evolutions coil'
Belly chuckling the creature pops left eyeballs upon the floor'

Tree N' Water stands the Coil' pays homage to the Sun'

Carrefour slashes Sword 4 ways of asking to the Nine'

Nsala Malekun

Nobu +

1721

A lazy explanation of wisdoms !!

:)))

Sit upon YaYa' broom sticks N' fly'

If I push it too hard I shall get no replies'

Bliss!
Love
Psy trance' rave' BASS'
Power over Will
Love under Will'

MI'

Heehee'

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Oshun in Vodou?

2009-10-07T15:13:08Z

I wonder about this....any feedback would be helpful!

When I first started my novel (about Pirates and Vodou in 1713), I based my first scribblings on past life memories. In one of these memories, I was in St. Domingue (old European name for Haiti), I was told about Oshun, and led to a fresh water source.....

Later, as I studied Vodou writings, it was said that Oshun was not a Vodou spirit.

NOW....just this year....I am finding references to Oshun CONNECTED with Haitian Vodou!

Here is one:

"Oshun in Vodou is known as Manbo Oshoun, not in every hounfor, but some still know!"
http://soupwen.com/#/orisha/4534661951

The whole article referenced above is about the existence of Orishas along with Loas in SOME Haitian practices.

Here's another:

"From Shamanic Roots, we find an early form of Vodou, known as Oshun, which eventually spread to West Africa prior to European slavery."
http://www.helium.com/items/582538-origins-of-voodoo

So, I am asking, does anyone know if there are connections with Oshun that might have been in play in 1713 Haiti?

BTW, here's a lovely description of an Altar for Oshun:
http://sirensays.wordpress.com/2009/05/11/oshun-altar/

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Vodou videos of beauty

2009-10-06T17:00:22Z

Here's one of photos of a Vodou "party" in Brooklyn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYWFL3Bj2LU&feature=related

Great dancing in Haiti:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j47x1M7VDes

Kouzen rituals:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qj8IZkyL8U

(I've been thinking of Kouzen Zaka lately.....the harvest is happening here in my part of the world......)

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fetishism

2009-09-29T17:07:34Z

what is your opinion on the notion that an object cannot have inherent power?

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Book: Mark of Voodoo

2009-09-27T20:14:21Z

Has anybody here read this book: ?

__Mark of Voodoo: Awakening to My African Spiritual Heritage__ by Sharon Caulder

Here is a review:

Synopsis

The True Account of One Woman's Odyssey into Voodoo

In midlife, native New Yorker Sharon Caulder left her successful physical therapy practice to find her soul among the Voodoo people in Benin Republic, West Africa. Mark of Voodoo is the story of her amazing experiences with sub-Saharan African Voodoo-the root of all Voodoo-including her initiation into the spiritual hierarchy as a full-fledged chief, and her romance with the Supreme Chief.

Dr. Caulder speaks candidly about karma, evolution, tantric sexual systems, sacrifice, and spirit possessions. Hers is the first book to explain what happens during Voodoo rituals from both the visible and invisible perspectives.

This revealing account contains graphic anthropological details of rituals and sacrifices, and includes 16 pages of color photos of the people in the book, their rituals, and practices. Filled with adventure and romance, this is a story that will speak to your psyche and your heart.

Publishers Weekly

This book documents Caulder's pilgrimage to uncover Vodou's roots in the West African coastal areas of the Republic of Benin, and there to clarify her role as a Vodou (which she calls "Voodoo") leader. Raised in Brooklyn, until the age of 13 Caulder was a participant in Voodoo rituals conducted by her great-aunt. The book opens with an explicit, vivid and, for some, horrifying scene of Caulder as a five-year-old subjected to ritual abuse, climaxing with the torture and sacrifice of a cat. Until her early 40s, Caulder was repulsed by such powerful experiences, but when her memories returned as flashbacks, she left her family and her physical therapy practice, abruptly setting off for Benin. Within one day of her arrival, Caulder's "inner guide" provided her with the location, the identity and an introduction to the Benin "pope" of Voodoo, Supreme Chief Daagbo Hounon Houna. Over time, Caulder was initiated into Voodoo's spiritual hierarchy and came to appreciate that the "basic structure of Voodoo is a fine one," although she became increasingly troubled by animal sacrifice and spirit possession, illustrated in some of the 16 pages of color photos. To the extent that objectivity can be applied to spiritual pursuits, Caulder's seems strained by the fact that she fell in love with Daagbo, and by such offhand revelations as "I most often used my clairvoyant abilities" for translation during conversations and rituals. For those who can discern legitimacy and have a strong stomach for animal slaughter, Caulder's account is not without merit. (Jan.) Copyright 2001 Cahners Business Information.
More Reviews and Recommendations
Biography

Born and raised in the United States, Sharon Caulder is an African Voodoo chief and holds a Ph.D. in Mythology and Depth Psychology. She has also earned professional credentials in physical therapy, psychology, and neuroscience. Currently she maintains a spiritual healing practice in Oakland, California, where she receives clients from throughout the U.S. and the world. She works with people with conditions that range from the physical (such as cancer) to the psychological (such as schizophrenia), including eating disorders, addictions, and spiritual crises.
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Maggie's note: I read this book a few years ago and it was eye opening for me. Hearing Wedosi speak a little about the Vodou practices and people of Western Africa has sent me back to the book with a "new eye." I am understanding a bit more of what I read before! There is still much that puzzles me...........but I guess that is natural! Anyway, for anyone interested in Vodou in Africa, this is a very interesting read.

It is interesting that Sharon Caulder is now the Director and Curator of Chez Vodun African Voodoo Museum and Temple where she maintains a spiritual healing practice conducting weekly Voodoo rituals and continuing her work in teaching people “to be at one with their own spirits and to work to enhance and to increase their own potential so that they may continue to grow.”

http://www.hauntedamericatours.com/hauntedbooks/Sharon_Caulder/

http://www.hauntedamericatours.com/voodoo/chezvodun/

From the book:

“Voodoo offers a religious doctrine for people to live by. The doctrine helps people to live honorably. Voodoo is particularly instrumental in helping people cope with the difficulties and sorrows of daily living by providing a pantheon of deities – spirits who move freely between the realms – to assist them when they are in need.”

Attempting to come to terms with a childhood permeated by voodoo rituals, and prompted by intuition, Sharon Caulder, a practicing physical therapist with a doctorate in mythology, undertakes a life-changing journey to Benin, formerly Dahomey, West Africa, in search of her spiritual roots. In this fascinating book, Caulder recounts her immersion in the heritage of her African Motherland and her initiation into traditional Voodoo, culminating in her creation as an African Voodoo Chief. Caulder describes her challenges as she adjusts to the culture and pace of a small Benin village and relates with unabashed honesty details of her growing romance with the man known as the Supreme Chief of All Voodoos, the imposing Daagbo Hounon Houna. Caulder describes in vivid detail the rites and rituals associated with this ancient faith, a tradition that has been maligned and misunderstood wherever it has appeared in the world.

Caulder’s factual and colorful account of true-life experiences among present day practitioners of Voodoo is a valuable anthropological tool for those interested in understanding the role of Voodoo in the development of the African peoples; it is also a rare, detailed account of one woman’s discovery of her vast spiritual potential and worth.

-- J. Wichers

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blogs

2009-09-27T03:29:30Z

know of any great blogs on this topic?

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Attributes

2009-09-27T03:16:37Z

I am wondering if any of you folks know the attributes of some Loa'

My first choice is :-

Granbwa

Rite MAKAYA

(The Gran Shimen Mouwa family/ Fanmi Gran Shimen Mouwa)

Many more to come'

Nsala Malekun

Nobu +

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New Orleans and Marie Laveau

2009-09-19T20:48:45Z

Just listened to a couple of good shows about these subjects.
The September 3rd show is very very moving....

Here's the link:
http://www.coyotenetworknews.com/productcart/pc/radioshow.htm

September 10, 2009 Show

Marie Laveau's Birthday!

To honor the great Voodoo Queen of New Orleans, Caroline welcomes back (for the 1st portion of the show) New Orleans native, research professor of anthropology at the University of New Orleans, Martha Ward, author of the only reliable biography of Marie Laveau, Voodoo Queen.

September 3, 2009 Show

Honoring New Orleans
(5th anniversary of Katrina)

with 9th ward resident, creator of the Museum of House and Feathers,
Ronald W. Lewis.

Ronald, as well as being a street-car-repairman-union oganizer.
is the author of the book, The House of Dance and Feathers, dedicated
to the people of the Lower Ninth Ward and all the survivors of
Katrina, and is featured in Dan Baum's book about New Orleans, "Nine Lives."
Joining Ronald and Caroline is long-time ally and New Orleans
resident, Anne Marie Coviello.

www.houseofdanceandfeathers.com

From the web site:

Ronald W. Lewis is the founder, curator and director of the House of Dance and Feathers. After many years of working on the city’s streetcar track as a worker and union rep, he has devoted himself to cultural activism and education. After the flood, Ronald partnered with the Tulane City Center and Project Locus to plan the rebuilding of the backyard museum. In a wide-reaching collaboration, that pulled in architects, students and volunteers from all over the United States, the new museum was designed and built in the Summer of 2006. The participants labored in the long Louisiana summer, and the physical signs of construction in progress on Tupelo Street attracted the attention of out of town visitors, as well as displaced New Orleanians returning to tour their own home town. As was Ronald Lewis’ intention, the rebuilding of the museum on Tupelo Street contributed to the voices calling for neighbors to come home.

Since 2006, the museum has become an important gathering place for scholars, activists, students, neighbors, and volunteers to talk about the history and culture of the Lower Nine, and to discuss the rebuilding of New Orleans. The museum has also hosted numerous meetings, workshops, and gatherings for people who are working to make things happen in New Orleans. Visitors to the House of Dance and Feathers experience the power of self-representation and the value of cultural exchange. Mr. Lewis is currently working with Rachel Breunlin and the Neighborhood Story Project to produce a museum catalogue. In his museum tours and public talks, Mr. Lewis speaks eloquently about the social significance of place, family, and cultural traditions in community-building, and he has been an outspoken advocate for a resident-led rebuilding of the Lower Ninth Ward.

Partners and Supporters of the House of Dance and Feathers
Tulane City Center
Project Locus
CITYbuild Consortium of Schools
Kansas State University
Boston Architectural College School of Landscape Architecture
University of Montana Environmental Studies Program
Eskew Dumez Ripple

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Saint Andrew

2009-09-18T20:16:40Z

Is there a lwa/orisha associated with this Catholic saint? I know it's a rather basic question, but the tribe seems to be slowing down, so I thought a little convo might liven things a bit...

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Solitary Vodou

2009-09-12T17:04:10Z

Heya :)

I'm new to Tribe and was excited to see a Vodou section. I've been researching Vodou lately and have grown rather fascinated by it. I've been a Wiccan since I was 12 (Scott Cunningham got me started). Lately, Wicca seems stale to me and I've been wanting more of a passionate spirituality. That is when Vodou seemed to pop out of nowhere.

I was wondering how common is it for someone to be solitary and practice it? I live in the middle of rural Michigan of all places. I feel like I could blend it with Witchcraft easily.

Thoughts?

Merci,
Jason

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Vodou Art, Music, Dance, Poetry, Crafts, etc.

2009-09-11T18:05:51Z

One of the reasons I was first attracted to Vodou is the wonderful poetry of the Vodou songs, the loveliness of Vodou art....like the vevers and the flags and depictions of the Lwa's....and the passionate drumming and chants! I also love the craft of creating the Vodou "wanga" and "gris gris" packets that can be so very beautiful and transportive of the spirit!

The Art of Vodou is the art of people doing more with less! Using their imagination and creativity to the ultimate! It is a life-affirming art, which does not deny the power of death to change what is. It is about magick and love and power and peace.

I just wanted to start a thread in which people could talk about their relationship with these arts, and also to post sites at which to view or experience these arts.

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Vodou and Jazz and Rock'n'Roll

2009-09-04T14:25:05Z

I'm in the process of reading an interesting essay about it:

http://www.michaelventura.org/writings/EB2.pdf

It's an essay called "Hear That Long Snake Moan" by Michael Ventura.

It's more of a Western view, and definitely from an "outsider," but he makes some good point!

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Honoring Our Ancestors

2009-09-03T22:20:03Z

I have had a photo of my maternal Grandmother and Grandfather in my kitchen for a while. Yesterday, I got the notion of taking it down, cleaning it and getting it preserved somehow, and making it a centerpiece of a new Altar I want to make for Ancestors.

How do you (personally) honor your Ancestors? Maybe by sharing our personal stories, we can honor them here.....

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Opinion of this Book

2009-09-03T17:51:27Z

I'm new to this tribe, but I'm hoping I won't hinder it, and that it might help me a bit. So, um, hullo!

Right, right, down to business :].

I've read several books about Vodou, most of which center around Haitian Vodou and outline the impact of the Duvalier duo, and the slave revolts. However, one book I read was a personal account of the author's experience with Vodou as he explored it within the U.S.. The book was "American Voudou: Journey Into a Hidden World," ( url: http://www.amazon.com/American-Voudou-Journey-Hidden-World/dp/1574410814 -- the version I received was a hardback, with a red cover, and not much else. A bit peculiar, as it was worn and extremely vague .-. ). In any case, I was simply wondering what you, the Tribe, thought of this book, or if anyone else had read it. Thank you very much in advance.

( And now I wait for Nechesh to suggest "The Four Horsemen" :) ).

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Vodou Dream?

2009-08-31T19:11:18Z

I had a dream the other night and am wondering if maybe the Loas are contacting me....?

When I was little, I had a plaster "altar" I liked to play with. It was a very beautiful altar, very "Catholic," with several tiers. It was about a foot and a half long, a foot tall, and about 8 inches "thick". Decorated with white plaster "cloths" and "crosses" and such. The "candles" were long with glass tips that shone when you put a light bulb inside the hollow altar and plugged it in! (I was the only child I knew who had a toy altar....LOL!!!)

(BTW, when I was little, I also accompanied my Aunt....who was a nun...to the "real" Church and helped her clean and refresh the BIG Altar at the Church of the Sacred Heart.)

I would sometimes pretend I was a priest when I played with my "little" altar.

Anyway, in my dream, this altar had grown to be "lifesize". Before seeing the altar I was interacting with 2 African/American gentlemen. They were both (in the dream) "rappers." I didn't recognize them, but felt comfortable with one of the them. I was a little more wary of the other one, who seemed to be a "trickster" type. That one wore a black hat.

When I looked at the altar, it was decorated with all kinds of things...flowers, pictures of saints, statues, etc. I also saw pictures of each of the 2 African American gentlemen on the altar! I felt very warm and respectful toward the altar. I was walking around it, ringing a bell. I felt like I was consecrating it or starting a ceremony with it.

Then I woke up!

What do you think of this? I would love to get to know the 2 Loas (if that is what they were....) better. Any ideas on how to do this???

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Offerings

2009-08-29T05:29:55Z

While meditating on what-to-offer to a Loa, it occurred to me that the Loa really didn't "need" my offerings, so what was I really doing? I came to conclusion that when I offer something to a Loa or Spirit, I am acknowledging the power of that Loa/Spirit in my life. I am choosing something that represents the essence of that Loa/Spirit in my life, and I am sharing the energy that actually comes from that Loa/Spirit and affirming that that energy is connected with my "offering."

Still meditating upon it..........

Any thoughts on "offerings"????

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Vodou and Baptism

2009-08-28T14:08:59Z

Lately, I have been considering the many uses of water and liquid substances in Vodou. There are the healing and cleansing baths, some with special herbs and/or colors.

"The best cleansing bath is one taken in a body of natural water....Sit on the shore for a while and talk to the Mother about your problems....as you walk into the water, chant, 'I thank you, Most Holy Mother, for taking my concerns and washing them away.' Walk into the water...when you come ashore, dress yourself in fine new clothes. Conclude by leaving an offering such as silver coins, food, or the promise of a good deed. As you leave the area, don't look back." --Teish, __Jambalaya__

Libations are poured for the Ancestors (water, juices or alcohol can be used). There are also washes for the household, especially for the floors and the steps of a house.

What I am wondering is.....is the Vodou "cleansing" ritual the forerunner of the Christian practice of Baptism?

Will you share your knowledge of working with the "flowing" aspects of Vodou for cleansing or healing purposes?

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Is Vodou Tribe Dead? RIP.

2009-08-28T13:53:31Z

So what's the deal here anyway? Supposedly there are 356 members of this tribe. Doesn't anyone have something they want to talk about or tell us? No Questions, no answers...nothing??? If so this is very sad and i am indeed very disappointed. For the most part i just got here and there is really zero discussion. I tried really hard to get a good discussion of Vodou drumming started, but nothing. Can anyone tell me where i can go where people are actually discussing this subject?

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Mami Wata Website

2009-08-21T18:18:25Z

Well, I finally was able to access this website, recommended to me by Wedosi. (Thanks, Wedosi!)

It is very interesting. I've never really learned about this view of Vodou before.

Anyway, if you want to learn what they have to say, and to offer, see:

http://www.mamiwata.com/

Some of the more interesting pages on this site are:

http://www.mamiwata.com/news.html

http://www.mamiwata.com/christian_atrocities.html

Voudoun myths:
http://pub47.bravenet.com/faq/show.php?usernum=3951612168&cpv=1

Here's the page if you would like a Divination done:
http://www.mamiwata.com/divine.html

They also have some really nice videos on the site,
and some very interesting reading materials....
and the drumming is very cool! There is lots of
drumming on the bottom of THIS page:

http://www.mamiwata.com/mamichild.html

(Bottom of page: drum rhythms)

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AIWAZ

2009-08-19T21:59:50Z

Zothyrian Metapsychology

There is a pyramid of lattices in the superconcious mind from which the transendental ego inducts certain archytypal categories'
AIWAZ' "The book of Meon"

333

+NM+

Nobu +

The Gospel of Truth from His Own Being (Modern Gnostic Gospel)
"This is the Gospel of Truth which the Father brought forth from His Own Being. This is the Book of Salvation containing in itself the fullness of all that there is. This is the Word of AIWAZ-Zothyrius, son of the aeon and sun of the daemon. Now because all things come forth from the Meon, there was a deeply held darkness covering over the face of the fullness, for the fullness of the Father was only known in the darkness and not in the light.
Now light is eternal and is the very life of the Father, and yet the Father did not reveal the fullness of His Light, but only that fullness which is in darkness. Hence that which was revealed was not the fullness of the Father but only an image of the fullness.
Therefore, the Father spoke to the Savior and to Depth and told them of their incompleteness before the Father, for they dwelt in darkness and lacked the fullness of wisdom and light.
Then the Father spoke to Knowledge and to the Church and told them of their incompletness before the Father, for they too, like the pair from which they were generated dwelt in darkness and lacked the fullness of wisdom and light.
The Father spoke as such saying that there are two wisdoms and there are two lights, one which is the widom of Depth, which is incomplete, but the other which is complete is Divine Wisdom (Theou Sophia), which alone the Father may give, for the Meon is Nothingness and no longer can be said to be, and one which is the shadowy light of the Savior, which is incomplete, but the other which is complete is the Light of Christ (Phos Christou), which alone the Father may give, for the Meon is nothingness and does not exist.
So the Savior was chosen by Wisdom and by Knowledge and by the Church to speak to the Father and the Savior sought to enter into the mystery whereby the fullness of the Light of the Father would be known. But the Father spoke saying that the Divine Pairs must realize their incompleteness and lack of perfection before this first mystery would be reavealed, before the Father would show it forth. Now the Savior humbled himself before the Father in the name of the Divine Pairs and said that the Divine Pairs were incomplete and this he said in their name, for he acted as the cheif henad of all the Divine Syzygies and he acknowledged the incompleteness of the pairs and so he sought to know and to see the First Mystery, which does not come forth from the Father but which is within the Father and which is the Father at all times. And to this the three other members of the Divine Pairs had agreed with certainty.
Therefore, the Father bid the Divine Pairs, through the Savior, to come before Him in the timelessness of His Being. Now the Father spoke to the Divine Pairs and as he spoke He revealed the First Mystery. The First Veil of the Mystery He removed, which is Purity, and the Divine Pairs saw Divine Wisdom. And Divine Wisdom (Theou Sophia) is not a henad of a pair, but is the Hidden Arche of Depth of Knowledge. And Theou Sophia is the substance of the First Mystery.
And the Father continued to speak to the pairs and as He spoke He revealed more of the light of the First Mystery for He removed before their heavenly eyes the Second Veil of the First Mystery, which is the Christos, which is the essence of the First Mystery of the Fullness of The Father and The Christos is the Arche of The Savior and the Church, for He is the completeness of the Light of the First Mystery of Salvation and the Church is His Body (Soma).
Now as the Divine Pairs realized their participation in the First Mystery of the Father, and thus they are complete in the Father when they participate in this the First Mystery, The Christos spoke to them from the Light fo the First Mystery and He Who is the Light of the Eternal revealed to them who were formerly in darkness that He was the Reason (Logos) of the Father, whereby all things are as they are and must be for they cannot be otherwise, and so because they were complete in the Father, the Father of Lights and All the Henads united them each as individuals with the substance of the First Mystery, wifh is Theosophy and them with the essence of the First Mystery, which is The Christ. And because they knew the Light they as Divine Pairs also know the Reason and in this unity of the First Mystery They became the Second Mystery which is the Spirit (Pneuma) because they participate in the First Mystery.
Now the Fullness of the Father is participated in by the Divine Pairs, for they have entered into the First Mystery and have become one with the Light which is the Second Mystery. Therefore They have received the Light of the Christ and all the aeons and all the daemons and all of the other Ideal Pairs (Syzygies) saw the Light reflected in and from the Divine Pairs in the Fullness and they knew that the Darkness had been banished to the lesser and lower nothingness. And so the Syzygiues were filled with the Holy spirit of Light, which is the Second
Mystery and which fills all of the Fullness of the Father.
This is the Zothyrian Christogony. This is the Book of Salvation. This is the Gospel of Truth"

(AIWAZ, "The Book of Meon," Chapter ii, Verses 1-87) Rights held by Michael Bertiaux
Parts of text from GG'

Malembe

Malekun Nsala'

Nobu +

Pa' to Lo Carefour' Legba'
Pa' to Lo PaPa Gede Nganga'

I must add' Voudon is about study' Temples are Ok' but when it comes to Pa' self study is Primero'

Pa' to Lo Nfumbe'
Pa' to Lo Ngfunda'
Pa' to Lo Kalunga'
Pa' to Lo Centella Ndoki
Pa' to Lo Zarabanda Nganga +
Pa' To Lo Nobu Nganga +

There is much to learn' orthodox no teaches of self'
Know thyself'

Nganga Nobuoni +

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Contemporary Readings

2009-08-12T18:14:44Z

I've been doing a little research lately and found two interesting contemporary (or nearly!) sources:

The White Darkness
Richard Stanley's Voodoo Diary
(Originally appeared in Fortean Times #140, 2000.)
http://www.everythingisundercontrol.org/nagtloper/write/voodoo.php

August 2008, Special Issue
Serving The Spirits: Women & Voodoo in Literature and Popular Culture
Co-Editors
Kim Wells
Louisiana State University-Shreveport
http://www.womenwriters.net/aug08/index.html

Enjoy!
Kameelah Martin Samuel
Georgia State University

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What's Baron Samedi drinking?

2009-07-29T20:29:19Z

This is..... interesting. :-)
Watch all the days of this video "documentary".
And definitely check out the ad campaign at the end.
http://samedisays.com/

....well, it made me laugh! :-D

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The Man in the Mirror

2009-07-15T18:54:54Z

I know this isn't directly connected to Vodou, but I thought you might enjoy this. I sure did!!!

http://www.elevatepresents.com/video/tribute-to-michael-jackson

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Please Read

2009-07-13T19:39:43Z

Nsala malecum,

Two well known and respected santeros/paleros in the community have been charged with child endangerment. Nosy neighbors called the police on them, and the prosecutor from Paterson, NJ is now charging them. They say that the child was cut with a razor blade, had her clothes torn off and was "forced to witness an animal sacrifice"....sounds like a rompimiento to me. Please help this couple by writing, calling or emailing the prosecutors office and defending our right to religious freedom. This is very serious-it seems that they are attempting to remove the children from the couple.

You can all check out the article here:

http://www.myfoxny. com/dpp/news/ new_jersey/ 090708_Girl_ Hurt_Animal_ Sacrifice_ Paterson

When you write, be sure to include these points:

* If jews are allowed to circumcise their children by a rabbi with no medical attention, how is that different then any scarification involved in a religious ritual at least as old, if not older? AND, every parent who pierces their child's ears should also be prosecuted.

*Animal sacrifice is protected under the freedom of religion, and the supreme court case .
S. Supreme Court
CHURCH OF LUKUMI BABALU AYE v. CITY OF HIALEAH, 508 U.S. 520 (1993)
508 U.S. 520 CHURCH OF LUKUMI BABALU AYE, INC. v. CITY OF HIALEAH
CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE ELEVENTH CIRCUIT
No. 91-948
http://userwww. sfsu.edu/ ~biella/santeria /dec1.html

**If children are not allowed to see animal sacrifice (which is often cleaned and consumed afterwards) then every farmed with a child, or chef who has slaughtered and animal for food should be thrown in jail. In addition, the islamic practice of slaughtering a lamb for Eid el-Kebir is also unlawful.

*** This is about religious freedom, NOT child endangerment. No child was in danger, this is about RELIGIOUS IGNORANCE AND INTOLERANCE.

CONTACT: Passaic County Prosecutor's Office Camelia M. Valdes, Passaic County Prosecutor Passaic County Administration Building Seventh Floor 401 Grand St. Paterson, NJ 07505 kathleend@passaicco untynj.org (note that your e-mail is to the ATTN of Passaic County Prosecutor Camelia M. Valdes, as this e-mail address is for Chief Clerk, Kathy Debiak) FAX: 973-225-0155 ** Also note on their website page, which lists all of their departments (http://www.pcponj. org/investigativ eStaff.html),

WE have to look out for our own y'all.
Ty

--
Kitukidi mu ntangu,
Kukutula ntangu;
Kitukidi mu ngonda,
Kukatula ngonda.
Tata ma Lemba,
Wambuta wandela.
Zangata mansi,
Zangata mayulu.
Kadi nayikidi,
Nyenda nseke-nseke,

That which comes from the sun,
The sun takes away;
That which comes from the moon,
The moon takes away.
Father Lemba,
He gendered me, raised me.
Praise the earth,
Praise the sky.
For I am enhanced,
I have come far.

--excerpt from a Lemba prayer.

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Manbo Sallie Ann Glassman's Story

2009-06-25T16:50:48Z

Great interview!

The Gumbo of Vodou:
Manbo Sallie Ann Glassman's Story

by Morgan Packard

http://www.myneworleans.com/New-Orleans-Magazine/June-2009/The-Gumbo-of-Vodou/

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spirit village seek food!

2009-06-16T02:32:33Z

i have recently regained posesion of a whole little village of spirits, taking the form of wooden figurines from zambia. i know they are active as a they have been in possesion of a vodou friend who has worked with them for a while. however i have taken them back, and have been told to feed them... rum is good apparently, though i would appreciate any other advice. is it wise to mix the alter with other symbols from systems i work with, (goat skulls, chaosphere etc) or dedicate it to them alone as a sacred space? we havn't been able to figure out there background, though they are most likely fetish objects. wish i could post photos!

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Babalawos in Los Angeles, Long Beach & San Diego

2009-06-16T01:57:15Z

Aboru aboye abosise o,

I am on my way to Southern California and would love to link up with Babalawos from Los Angeles to San Diego.
Likewise, if you're in the Southern California area and would like to consult Ifa within the next couple of weeks, please feel free to contactg me: ObafemiO@yahoo.com | 510.485.2336

Be blessed,

Obafemi

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Tamir?!

2009-05-12T20:20:55Z

Did anybody know him? He lived in New Orleans and died in 1999. Was very strong in the Voudon community there.

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Drums

2009-03-25T17:27:22Z

Are there any other drummers here that have studied Haitian and other Afro-Caribbean rhythms? I studied with John Amira in NYC for about 8 years before i left there. For me drums, songs and movement unite in a magickal formula that helps to open the gateway and let spirit interact with us on the material plane. I know this isn't much of a discussion topic so far, but i would love to know who else here offers their service to the spirits through the drum and whatever thoughts they might have on the subject.

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Event: Espiritu Santo

2009-03-06T18:17:41Z

ESPIRITU SANTO
Friday, June 12th ~Sunday, June 14th, 2009
www.4qf.org/_EspirituSanto/

Presented by Ile Orula Oturo Nico Eggun
At Four Quarters Interfaith Sanctuary

In honor of Four Quarters’ founding principles
of providing a safe and supportive environment
for indigenous religions, we are proud to
support Espiritu Santo. A Celebration of the
traditions of West African Diaspora as
practiced in the New World.

Espiritu Santo is a rare opportunity to experience the unique
spirituality of Afro-Caribbean religions, such as Ifa, Santeria, Palo
and Hoodoo. We welcome people of all religions and spiritual paths
to come and discover Ifa, Orisha and Loa worship.
Espiritu Santo is intended to provide an accessible and respectful
introduction to Afro-Caribbean religions while dispelling popular
myths that have arisen in the West. Bring your curiosity and an open
mind, and prepare yourself for a unique spiritual experience.
For those already familiar with Afro-Caribbean religions, we off er
a chance to network with peers and bask in a familiar community
amongst the beautiful woodland setting of Four Quarters.

For Information or to Register find us on-line at www.4qf.org
Or you can Call the office at 814-784-3075 with your questions.

Children under 16 are Loved, Cherished and Free!
Four Quarters Members Pre-Reg $80;
Nonmembers Pre-Reg $100 by June 6. Gate price $120
Saturday Arrival PreReg $90, Gate price $105.
Five meals from Dinner Friday through Breakfast Sunday
are included in your registration. Traditional Cuban
cooking, but do bring snacks.
Four Quarters Promoting Members have a $40 food fee.

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whats is lwa?

2009-02-26T15:51:15Z

ive heard of it before but never really had a complete understanding what LWA meant....

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veve's as tattoos

2009-02-26T15:42:23Z

Any thoughts?

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Simbi Makaya

2009-02-20T03:35:11Z

Helo everyone..i have a question..hopeing someone from this tribe can help me here..Im very close to the Simbi family but still learning about them..Im very close with the female form...you guys would know her as Mama Wata..or Mama Simbi...and so on..i know about Simbi Andezo..but theres a big mystery behind this lwa..and its diffrent paths and family roots..Dose anyone out there can share some light on the path od Simbi Makaya.

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I want my boyfriend to return to me

2009-02-17T05:43:37Z

I want my boyfriend begging to return to me?

I know you all may think i should not do this type of spell.

I want him back, loving faithful and so devoted to me. Please do not judge me, please help me with the spell. I really miss his.love and care and want him to be so crazy for me.

I'm reaching out to someone for their help.

email address is zoeypier@yahoo.com.

Zoey

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New To Vodou

2009-02-04T13:48:48Z

Actually, part of my spiritual lineage hails from Vodou, but it has all but vanished. I'm wanting to learn as much about this spiritualism as I feel it would be beneficial to myself and loved ones. Anyone I could learn from in the Houston area? Or perhaps direct me to a few simple, yet informative books. Thanks to all who respond.

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altar help

2009-02-02T19:11:26Z

i was initiated into vodou about a year ago. i've learned so much, but i have an altar with the spirits who walk closest to me...i wanted to know when is it ok to add other statues to the alter. i say this because i have had dreams of other lwa and feel a connection to some...

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San Simon

2008-12-23T13:57:44Z

Hi All,

Firstly, I would like to say a big hello to all. I am not much of a poster as I am new in this in a way. The reason being what has been passed down from my Grandaunt to me mainly involved rootwork, herbs, catholic saints, rituals, etc. I don't know what we are called as when I asked my Grandaunt, she just said things which are being passed down by the women of the family which helps us by and by. So, to learn more and gain more knowledge and insight, I decided to join groups which I can learn and share with.

I have never worked with San Simon before but I seems to be drawn to him. San Simon is also identified with Saint Simon Peter in Santeria and Voodoo practices. From what I found out, he is quite an easy Saint to work with. his offerings ranges from Cigarettes, Liquor, Money, Tamales, Fruits, etc.

Can I hear from all who had/have worked with him and your experiences?

Thanks so much!

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Bonswa!

2008-12-09T00:33:07Z

Just wanted to post a short introduction for everyone. This is the first 'tribe' I've ever joined, so bare with me. My name's Jordan. I am not an initiated member of Vodou, but I will be someday. For now I am content with honoring my Ancestors, the Lwa and of course God. I am reading everything I can get my hands on - but I prefer Haitian Vodou over New Orleans Vodou, personally. I hope to make many, many friends in the religion of Vodou here. ( =

Here is a website for the Vodou community I have ben working on:
http://vodouspace.ning.com -- http://vodouspace.com will be operational TONIGHT. =D

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Manzel Anayis?

2008-11-08T13:31:53Z

Is there a lwa named Manzel Anayis in Haitian Voudou? i´d like, please, to know some information about her.

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Candomble tribe is moving to

2008-09-12T13:56:54Z

http://triberefugees.ning.com/group/orishaandcandombleinbrazil

Tribe has become too unreliable lately the server is not working properly. This new site is much better and we can upload videos music,, The focus of the group is slighly changed.. given the possibilities of interactive media.
check it out and give some feed back.

Although this tribe will remaIN OPEN i will not do much to expand it..

Axe Gamo de Xango

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And while we're talking about charitable donations...

2008-09-01T02:00:59Z

This list comes from the lovely and talented Jessica Melusine (jessicamelusine.livejournal.com). If you'd like to do something to help New Orleans, here are a few good charities:

Gulf Restoration Network
http://www.healthygulf.org/

Habitat for Humanity New Orleans
http://www.habitat-nola.org/

New Orleans Public Library
http://www.nutrias.org

Enterprise Corporation of the Delta
http://www.ecd.org/

Backstreet Cultural Center
http://www.backstreetmuseum.org/

New Orleans Adolescent Hospital
http://www.volunteermatch.org/search/org6712.jsp

These are all registered charities, so no worries about your dollars being diverted for other purposes.

Let's keep praying that Gustav and Hannah don't do a number on the Big Easy -- but let's also be prepared for the worst should our prayers go unanswered.

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Gustav, Hannah, and Solicitations for "Charitable Contributions"

2008-09-01T01:58:04Z

As hurricane season begins, so too do solicitations from con artists seeking to profit from Haitian misery. You sincerely want to do the right thing -- but how do you know that your contribution won't end up lining a scammer's pockets instead of helping hungry Haitians? How do you make sure that your donation dollar isn't used to fund someone else's religious or political agenda? And how can you make sure that your donations do the most good?

Here are a few organizations which have an excellent track record and which are lauded for their transparency and accountability: if you give your money here, you can rest assured that a sizeable percentage will go to those in need.

****

HANDS TOGETHER
http://www.handstogether.org/

A Springfield, Massachusetts nonprofit organization aimed at helping the poorest of Haiti's poor, Hands Together receives four stars from Charity Navigator (http://www.charitynavigator.org).

KIVA
http://www.kiva.org

Kiva is one of the leading microloan organizations. Instead of handouts, they offer small business loans to families and individual entrepreneurs. In time, one $25 donation could be used to fund a dozen different projects and help that many families out of poverty. Kiva works in many countries, including Haiti: I support them and would recommend them to others without hesitation.

LAMBI FUND
http://www.lambifund.org/

A developmental organization run by Haitians for Haitians; also highly rated by Charity Navigator.

MEDECINS SANS FRONTIERES/DOCTORS WITHOUT BORDERS
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org

Winners of the 1999 Nobel Peace Prize, the French organization provides aid in nearly 60 countries to people whose survival is threatened by violence, neglect, or catastrophe. MSF doctors go to places where angels fear to tread, bringing medical care without regard for race, creed, color or political affiliation.

*****
`
As for solicitations from other charities, here are a few guidelines.

* Ask them if they are a 501(c)(3) corporation. If they aren't, ask them why not. If they can't give you a good answer, or start getting defensive or hostile when you bring up the question, send your money elsewhere.

* Check their rating on Charity Navigator (http://www.charitynavigator.org). If they are not listed there, ask them why not. If they can't give you a good answer, or start getting defensive/hostile when you bring up the question, send your money elsewhere. (My wife also recommends networkforgood.org -- you can search charities by keyword if you're looking for ethical, vetted charities working in Haiti or other regions).

* Call their local police department. Ask them if this charity is registered in their jurisdiction: inform them of the solicitation you received and any other solicitations which were distributed. Be prepared to send copies of this solicitation and to answer further questions should an investigation commence. Your single report may not be enough to send the scammer to prison -- but if a pattern of phony solicitation and begging is established, police may very well take an interest in prosecution. (You may also want to contact your state attorney general: they may be interested to know that an unregistered nonprofit organization is soliciting donations in their state).

* Above all else, use common sense. Stories about starving Haitian children may be true but they aren't an acceptable answer to "so what percentage of money collected goes to feed Haitians?" Pictures of ragged urchins playing in ditches are not proof that your contribution will improve their lot. Fundraisers tend to focus on emotional hot topics, but if they can't provide some solid facts, plans and forecasts to go along with their threnody of woe, chances are good that they're conning you.

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Learn Vodou from Elders at MySanteriaElite.net- member limit and seats are running out.

2008-08-31T15:20:38Z

Please visit www.mysanteriaelite.net for access to a private community of no more than 300 members where Vodou Priest of diffrent vodou traditions come together to dialogue, share and discuss topics pertaining to our african traditions...

Time is running out and memberships are filling up, come on board soon...

www.mysanteriaelite.net

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Your Godparents, Godbrothers and Godchildren

2008-08-31T15:15:44Z

Hi Abures,

First off I want to wish you a very Happy Labor Day Weekend!

I have been taking some time to think about what would be a great thing to offer those of you that may still be on the fence or thinking about coming on board to Mysanteria Elite.

While I was thinking and meditating on this new vision I had a very strong emotion come over me and told me that if I offer a good deed I should grant access to another.

You are probably wondering what this means and how it relates to your Godchildren, Godbrothers or Godparents and this is where I tell you. If you join today or at least before Sunday, August 31st for the full membership price, I will grant you a free coupon for your Godparent, Your Godbrother or your Godchild, its up to you to choose who you wish to bring on board.

I tell you that I am very proud of the accomplishments and the caliber of members that have joined us, while I plan to fix up the loose ends at mysanteria.com - Elite will be the place to be and I hope you can take advantage of this initiative before its too late, remember 300 is the number and we are definitely getting there. Once you sign up, e-mail me at webmaster@mysanteriaelite.net for your free coupon. Sign up by clicking the link below.

http://amember.mysanteriaelite.net/signup.php

Thanks!
Ruben
webmaster@santeriareligion101.com

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Linglessou

2008-08-19T15:14:22Z

Can somebody tell me something about this lwa named Linglessou, as far as i have heard or seen, i have been told, that there is a family of lwas with that common name, and common hints, because Linglessou is a fierce lwa, strong and hard. That´s all i know, if somebody knows anything else, i would apreciate your help.

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Vodou vs Palo

2008-07-27T18:05:15Z

It seems like A LOTt of people in Palo dont respect anybody who is not of cuban decent when it comes to not speaking spanish or whatever the lame excuse it may be and lets not bullshit around WE ALL KNOW ITS TRUE,,, but in the Vodou, you learn creole and all things from the "whole congregation" concerning a minimum amount of secrets concerning different nations of the Lwa from Rada, Petro, Kongo, Ibo and all the other thousands of Vodou nations. Meanwhile those who are very knowledgeable in Palo with only once nation of Kongo want to take their time in training their house members and being selfish in other ways. Palo could be practiced like Vodou but we all know why it's not but in my eyes that is no excuse why a lot of paleros and paleras should be " poowerless " without a ganga. This is the said reason why people treat Palo like it's some type of stepping stone just to make Ocha which is seriously ridicules and then people got the nerve to argue for years about Palo and Santo not being the same which is true. Meanwhile Vodou Kanzo candidates are literately walking thru FIRE learning, sacrificing goats, bulls, pigs, and basically working some strong Lwas, while paleros are giving their Nkisis a chicken or two and calling it a day. FUCK THAT. It's a wonder why us Blacks are the sole rulers of this universe while other nationalities imitate and wish to be as "aggressive" as a Black King or Queen. AS YOU CAN SEE I AM TIRED OF YOU " CERTAIN WEAK SPANISH ELDERS " who think shit is a game and bullshit around, Time waits for nobody and patience is not relevant in this case. You got to be warriors if your going to practice an Afrikan Traditional Religion which is a WARRIOR way of life!!! I am not speaking about all paleros but a certain select few and YES we all can name who they are including the ones who brag about how secret this is and how secret that is, DONT MAKE ME SMACK YOUR SPIRIT INTO A GRAVE FOR ME TO DIG UP YOUR BONES FOR SOME REAL WORK. A lot of these "CERTAIN" spanish paleros front like they got all the secrets with a nganga and can't be touched. DON'T BE FOOLED, A VODOU BOKOR WILL ALWAYS HAVE YOUR FIRST CLASS TICKET INTO GRAVEYARD IF YOU EVER COME OUT YOUR FACE WRONG. I'm not speaking to anybody in particular but only a select few all around the world. Excuse my bad language but the shit has got me real heated and got me ready to start targeting these " powerful paleros " who think they the shit that be disrespecting Black people in their own little selfish way and non of you would want that, I sware to you. A certain amount of you better stop that shit. you can pull that shit with everybody else but never a Bokor and if you like anything I just said too damn bad. I SPEAK WITH LICENSE

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Please help me.

2008-07-18T00:19:48Z

Dear All,

I really seek your help as my heart is bleeding for the man I love.

My boyfriend left me and is seeing another women. He has been unfaithful to me and says he cannot help this.

He wants to stop being unfaithful to me and wants to return to me but feels he has hurt me too much.

When my father passed away he was there and comforted me through my difficulities and when I was near to death he safed me.

I beg of you to help me with a very strong love spell for him to return to me and love me very much that he is crazy for me. I want him to remain faithful.

He does not want to see me much as he feels to ashamed in what he has done to me and has cried for me.

He interest and attention for me is still there but I felt last week when I wanted to see him, he told me he could not as he was with a women.

Please help me.

Thank you.

Zoey

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Voodoo people in the Bay Area?

2008-06-09T05:23:03Z

Hello,

I am searching for houses and practitioners in the Bay Area and specifically in East Bay, CA?

Blessings,
Karuna

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Introduction

2008-05-30T13:23:55Z

Bonswa - I would like to quickly introduce myself. My nom vayan in Mambo Pa Trop Presse or Mambo Jenn. I was intiated at the rank of Mambo si pwen in Jacmel, Haiti in June of 2000 by Houngan Danise David. I received initiation as a Mambo Asogwe and the asson from the hands of Papa Loko via my Mamman Marie Carmel and Sosyete Bel Fle Ginea in Port-au-prince, Haiti in June of 2006. Peace and Blessings to all who serve the lwa.

One e Wespe -
Mambo Pa Trop Presse

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alter building

2008-05-27T18:43:54Z

just curious as to some of your techniques to alter building. I live in jacksonville, fl and we have a santeria shop i use for candles and beads, I also have some animal skulls i've found, not too mention a bottle of rum. I just found a place called Ashanti's African Boutique, but am yet to visit. hopefully I'll find something there appropriate for mr. legba. i've heard there are some online shops out of new orleans but they are hit or miss as far as authenticity.

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Altar and Shrine Building.......and ONLY Altar and Shrine Building

2008-05-25T19:22:16Z

Ok, while reading the other post that began with a simple question on how to contruct an altar to honor the God, the Lwa, and the Ancestors, it became clear that somewhere we had taken a very, very wrong turn indeed. Now since this is the Vodou tribe, please only post about the design and construction of Hatian Vodou altars and shrines. I understand that alot of us are also iivolved in Orisha traditions and Palo, as am I, but they have their own tribes. The reason I want to revisit the topic i beacuse I love to build altars and shrine, and my house might as well be a temple, so I would love to hear what others have to add about how to design, furnish, construct, and keep-up with an altar or shrine.

I personally love working with Catholic images, as I am catholic myself, but some are not confortable with this type of imagery, so while Catholic saints are all over my altars, they may not have a place on others. When ever I first get the idea to make an altar or shrine one of the first thing I do is to find out which saints fit that Lwa, and which ones have traditionally been used as their symbol, then track down a statue of that saint ( sometimes this is easier said than done, like when I spent weeks looking for a St. Ulrich statue for my Met Agwe altar.) Some other items are fans in the colors of the Lwa, and of course lots of white and appropriately colored candles. Also, items taken from nature, or a place that is symbolic of the Lwa are great, (feathers for Erzulie-Freda, leave garlands for Gran Bwa, shells for LaSarine and LaBaline, etc)

And while having an elder or mambo is very good for building orthodox altars, it is my no means imperative to the process, especially for a beginner.

much love

Lucie

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May Rain

2008-05-23T16:51:43Z

In Puerto Rico they have a saying that the first rain in May is a good luck rain and that if you bath yourself it, all the bad vibes/evil eye will go away and luck with start to come. I remember when I was a little girl living on the island people would get out big buckets to collect the May rain for spells or cleanings. Now I have asked my mother where does this come from and she does not know. She told me that’s what her parents use to tell her to do. Has anyone here heard of this? And where does it come from?

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Goetia/Voudou connection

2008-05-23T16:49:30Z

I've thought of this myself and were discussing it on some other outlets, so I thought I would share a link on the subject, he's not any sort of authority, but sometimes it's best to just put things out there, he shows a veve and a goetic seal:

http://www.frateralastor.com/veve.htm

This link is old but there are a few too many similarities between vodou veve's and goetic sigils of evocation.

Many of the entities share the same common goal.

So let your theories fly, which came first the chicken or the egg?

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Hi everyone! Just wanted to get the word out....

2008-05-10T06:08:04Z

Finally there is a dating site that caters to people who practice afro-Caribbean religions. It is completely free and also very new, so we are just trying to get the word out. If you know anyone single please pass it along. thanks.

http://lucumiluv.ning.com/

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Babalawo or no Babalawo?

2008-04-30T06:23:32Z

This started as a response to a thread in another tribe, but it's a recurring question that is sometimes controversial, although it should not be. The Babalawo and Olorisa are complementary attributes of divine order. They are obliged to work together.

Traditionally, wherever Ifa worship exists, the Babalawo is consulted at LEAST before any important ritual is performed. When the head of any orisa temple is preparing to celebrate his or her annual festival (ocha birthday), Ifa is consulted. When the King is preparing to celebrate the annual festival of the kingdom, he consults Ifa first. When someone wants to know which orisa dwells within him or her, that person cosults Ifa FIRST. This is because Ifa is the spokesman of Olodumare (God Almighty).

Each orisa has his or her dominion: some are masters of the river spirits, others are masters of fire spirits. Ifa is THE medium of communication between Olodumare and the orisa, between the orisa and humanity and between the orisa themselves. ALL forms of Yoruba divination are derivatives of Ifa. No exceptions. So, the Babalawo is the closest to the spirit of divination, the word of Olodumare.

Think of it in terms of any profession. Anyone can fix their own plumbing. anyone can represent himself in a court of law. Anyone can perform medical procedures on himself. But if you want the best practices in any discipline, you go to the professional who is dedicated to that discipline. You want the professional who has the highest authorization, the most complete resources and the best connections to allow him to make DEFINITIVE descisions on the issue at hand. Ifa is the definitive system of Yoruba divination.

Once Ifa has spoken, he will relate the needs and requisites of the various orisa. The orisa speak through Ifa. Ifa is the head. Orisa is the body. Ifa decides. Orisa acts.

Hope this helps,

Awo Femi

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Colorado?

2008-03-29T20:26:52Z

Greetings to all. I would greatly appreciate any information on temples or groups working with the spirits in Colorado. I have had no luck finding anything.I wish to pursue an educated and proper relationship with the spirits.

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Babaluaye

2008-03-21T19:43:28Z

I posted this in another thread but thought it was really it's own. I have always been curious as to whether Babaluaye/ Asojano and his family Nanume, Nana Buruku are worshipped in Haiti. From the Afro-Cuban perspective they are the principle Fon divinities, Voduces, but I never heard of anything about them in Haitian Vodou. Do you think they were absorbed in a way into Guede? The Guede always seem a little like Babaluaye to me with their relationship to death, the anscestors, sexuality and healing which are very Babaluaye fields. Also the multiple personalities since he has many roads. Any thoughts?

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Contacting Dead relatives...

2008-03-19T19:28:49Z

I'm interested in making a connection with my deceased grandmother. She died when I was 6 months old. Can anyone point me towards a body of knowledge or rituals to accomplish this?

Thanks

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Spirits of Life

2008-03-11T16:49:20Z

Soul Jazz Records pressents: "Spirits of Life- Haitian Vodou". I found this at the library and I really like it. Unlike "Rhythms of Rapture" and "Angels in the Mirror" (both of which I also really like), the style is more uniform rather than diverse. I suppose it may also be more traditional as the other two include lots of experimentation with modern music, because "Spirits of Life" reminds me more of Cuban Santeria style drumming and singing. Well, all I really have to go off of is Lydia Cabrera's recordings...
I would always read the opening chant of "Papa Legba, ouvri baye; Atibon Legba ouvri baye pou moin" etc. in books but never really knew how the vocal chorus went. They sing it on this CD and it sounds really pretty. Helps me realize the limits of my imagination!
However, the list of songs are mismatched- terribly. I mean, it is written that this somgs if for Agoue Damballah or Erzulie Ti Jean and when you listen it will be singing the name of a totally different lwa!
Still, I really like it and recommend it.
Of course, if you are a snob about these things and this music is really trash please let me know as well.

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an interesting photodocumentary

2008-03-02T02:27:19Z

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYWFL3Bj2LU

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Rhythms of Rapture

2008-02-25T22:27:06Z

Portland public library has a copy of "Rhythms of Rapture" on CD- I had this about 10 years ago. I like the music on this as well as "Angels in the Mirror". It even provides a fun way to start learning Kreyol... or maybe just langaj?
I noticed that Matisou Legba was in Boukan Ginen (I also read that he was in Boukman Eksperyans as well)- he was one of the drummers/spokesmen that came to KU when I lived in Lawrence, Kansas. He was part of a 2 day presentation to talk about the history and current political situation of Haiti, and the second day was devoted to lectures on Vodou. There was a short class on drumming and dancing for the Lwa although there were no real ceremonies and therefore no possessions occured.
It was rumored that they were attempting to move to Lawrence and start up a new rock band called Azaka, but that didn't happen while I was still living there (2001-2004). The name would have been very fitting as the Kansas prairie was like one great big desert of wheat.

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New Orleans Voodoo Tarot?

2008-02-17T21:29:38Z

Ok.. I know many of you here are very very knowledgeable of Traditional Voudoun and it's inner workings. So I want to ask you about my way of working with this tool and any advice or other techniques etc etc.

The way I plan on utilizing the tool is to learn more about the loas and contacting them. I work from a chaos magick paradigm (which one, hah) and freestyle shamanism bent. What I intend to do is begin with consulting this tarot and using some of the rites from the appendices. Then supplementing my contact with some pendulum consultations with loa to find out what sacrifices or rites that I could perform to bring about a closer relationship. This technique was used by a friend of mine for quite sometime and I feel that some of you could shed more light on it for me or warn me of potential pitfalls.

Another question I have... is there a good resource for drum patterns for specific loa? outside of going to a rite? I create electronic music (Industrial and noise) and I think I may try experimenting with the "possesion of the hands" concept to create electronic rhythms to accompany my later rituals. Are there specific loa that teach rhythms? Any advice is welcome.

Sorry if my lines of questioning are offensive to traditions or otherwise insulting. I am just very interested in a tradition that seems so Alive and that's what has sparked my interest in voudoun.

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Gran Bwa

2008-02-12T10:43:19Z

Does anyone here know anything about Gran Bwa? I am very close to him but do not have any traditional training..

-Vel

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Damien's questions

2008-02-06T02:59:41Z

1. How does a Mambo and Houngan determine who the Met Tet of the individual is?

During initiation they watch all kinds of signs and eventually the spirit may actually even show up and claim the person. Or spirits like Ogou Feray or Gede who interact more with people will come and tell them while monte chwal.

2. For what circumstances does a Mambo and Houngan do a reading,

I assume here you mean a general reading for work? Basically they will do a reading for any clients who come to ask for their help.

3. and why do they usually use a pack of playing cards instead of cowrie shells?

There is a legend about this, it comes down to the lwa gave the houngan and manbo the gift of "eyes" so they can see without the shells.

3. What exactly is the difference between Orisha and Lwa?

Different tribes, different cultures, different histories. You might ask what is the difference between the lwa and the daimonae of the Greeks for that matter.. Haitian priests seem to have interesting things to say.

4. How were the Dahomeans influenced by the Yoruba,

They were two cultures in proximity to one another in West Africa, and loaned words etc back and forth.. there are a ton of books in a good academic library on West Africa and the history.

5. and why did the Haitians prefer to let their New World traditions evolve from the former

In the areas around Port Au Prince, the root houses were based on Dahomean enclaves, and the asson tradition specifically comes out of that root.. in other parts of Haiti other nations predominate, like the Ibo-Kongo in the north, and there is a root house, I forget which one (Souvenans? pulling that out of my crack pretty much.. so it's probably wrong) that is almost entirely Nago.

6. while the Cubans prefered the latter?

Cuba had a higher proportion of Yoruba than anyone else. But like in Haiti it depends on what part of the island you are on. Havana is more priveleged and traditions around there gained prominence, other parts of Cuba I'm told are more Kongo or more Dahomean depending on what groups collected in what areas.

7. As more Cubans and Haitians relocate to the United States, and as more Americans take interest in both, these are questions that will be of great interest and importance.

I'm not sure these are so important, they are pretty basic to me but then I had the benefit of hanging out with an houngan nearly every day or several times a week to hang out for a number of years running, plus the benefit of talking to Shloma a lot about Ocha.

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"The Vodou Quantum Leap"

2008-01-25T19:32:59Z

has anybody else read this book?

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When/How to Speak

2008-01-14T03:54:51Z

There's a larger problem here though.

For some reason, it really is remarkably difficult to get a discussion going on this forum--much more so than other ATR forums on tribe, where I've seen very lively and cordial exchanges.

Part of it is an experience gap--it is next to impossible for a non initiate to get good information about vodou. Books won't take you very far at all, as Damien has discovered. Most of vodou simply isn't _in_ books. You have to be there. So people ask, and this is one place to ask.

Generally, it's hard to get answers. Other people who have read other books might respond as best they can--but there's the same literary echo chamber problem. Mike almost invariably responds, but his tone can be pretty off-putting.

I think you're being a bit hard on Travis, Kathy. Historically, he's been one of the few people here willing, able, and available to give good and complex information in a pleasant and informative tone. Admittedly, he's sounded pretty terse in his last couple of posts, but that's uncharacteristic.

I respond because I like talking to people about these things and have a good intuitive sense, but I'm not a vodou initiate. I'm not even an ATR initiate.

Kathy, in your last couple of posts you re-emphasize that the purpose of this list is to discuss vodou (and not other traditions). You also point out that you and Mike are vodou initiates (and Travis is not). In context, this implies that your words and Mike's carry more authority on this list than the words of others. I'm not sure if you meant to imply that or not, but that is one possible inference to draw.

Although I do my best to be mannerly and contribute positively, and I know that you and I are on good terms, this makes me--non vodou and non-ATR practitioner, feel a bit marginalized, and less inclined to speak. I'm pretty sure that that wasn't your intention,. but I think that clarification might be good.

The problem with restricting discussion on this list strictly to vodou is that that restricts participation in that discussion to vodou initiates. The rest of us either just don't know enough, or necessarily speak out of other traditions. So you end up with even fewer people with anything much to say on an already very quiet list.

Mind you, I like it quiet. I'm here and not on the larger, more active ATR and pagan lists. But I'd also like to feel like anybody is welcome to speak, everybody is respected, and that we all have something to learn from each other.

If that is also your goal, how do we actively foster that here?

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anyone read "vodou quantum leap"?

2008-01-13T21:58:42Z

and have a well-thought opinion or perspective on it? apparently the author tries to show relationships between vodou and quantum physics...

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Andre Pierre

2008-01-11T20:54:13Z

here are some links to this amazing Haitian artist.

http://haitianartsociety.org/photo.html

galeriedartnader.com/pierreAndre-2401.jpg
(this site is difficult to navigate- or amybe just TOO slow, but this is a portrait of Loko)

galeriedartnader.com/Pierre-andre.jpg
(this is really cool- but I'm not sure who the male Lwa behind the cannon is, first left on boat- is this Legba? Then follows Agwe, Sobo and Bade, Ogou Balindjo- I often like playing guess that Lwa with some of his paintings)

http://www.artshaitian.com/Pages/haitianartapierre.html

http://www.discoverhaiti.com/images/arts_Andre-Pierre.jpg
(here's another guess that Lwa painting. Left to right: Legba?, Ogou Sen Jak?, no idea who any of the three women are, Ogou Feray?, Agarou, Sobo and Bade?)

http://www.discoverhaiti.com/images/arts_Andre-Pierre.jpg

So, should I just start posting these paintings on Vodou tribe photo section, since no one said that there would be any thing wrong with it? It would also be nice if there were many more veves posted on this tribe's photo secton, like on the Vodu Gede Fetish one. Why has there been so few pictures posted for this tribe?

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Legba and Ellegua

2008-01-07T03:25:59Z

Damien asked "One other thing that I am very curious about is: since there are clay heads of Legba all over the People's Republic of Benin in temples and outside of homes, why is it that Haitian Vodous never adopted something similar to the Ellegua clay heads of Cuba?"

The answer is that they are different islands with histories. St Domingue was known as the most brutally oppressive slave colony in the West Indies. It was safer and more expedient just to go with the St Lazarus image for the Rada and St Peter for the Petwo.

When a Legba is mounted in someone's house or on an altar tho, by an houngan or manbo, which is a way of installing a lwa in a place in a more permanent fashion, a coconut is used where in Cuba they would use the cement head. You might notice that a cocunut has 3 dots that look like two eyes and mouth just like the cement head has 3 shells.

- mike

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Agarou Tonnere

2008-01-05T01:50:31Z

(As I already have plenty of advice and info on initiation and searching for a Vodou "godfather", please read and answer this question if you have any answers without recommendations toward initiations and vodou sponsorship- thank you)

I am interested in learning more about Agarou Tonnere from a Haitian initiate who might have first hand contact with this Lwa. When I was 8 I was invited to a protestant Sunday school. I was baptised Catholic. I had fun that morning. When I came home I was locked out the house and no one was home. I climbed the fence to break into my room through the window. My pants snagged on the wrought iron fence and I fell. That was my first astral experience. In my astral body I saw my dog run to me, and shortly after, my sister came home and carried me into the living room. I watched us from above and felt my astral body pulled to my physical body as I revived.
Later, when reading about Agarou Tonerre, I learned that Vodous who tried to convert to protestantism were often punished by Agarou, one person hitting their head on a rock!
In Andre Pierre's painting "Vodou Pantheon", Agarou is a female in white robe with red head wrap, and a cane shooting out lightning bolts. In in Rada altar there is a waitress style dress with Agarou's veve- the dress is black, red and blue- anything else, people?

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Dr. Rayman Caiman

2008-01-04T23:51:58Z

Has any one noticed Dr. Rayman Caiman's Vodou flash art set?
I don't know what to think of them... on one hand I am impressed by them, but some how they also seem a little disrespectful of the Lwa in their presentation. Google it, and let me know what you think, please.
And again, has any one Googled Andre Pierre and his paintings. No one has told me if it would be a copyright violation to put his portraits of the Lwa on this tribe.
Ayibobo!

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Angels Big and Small

2007-12-19T09:37:25Z

Can any one here give accurate detailed definitions of ti bon ange and gros bon ange? So much of what I've read is very vague, or it seems that the two often get confused. I know that one translates as "good little angel" and the other "good great angel"; and that one gets set aside during possession so that the Lwa may temporarily take it's place. Or maybe some one can recommend a web link?

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Haitian Vodou Handbook in stores now

2007-12-17T00:49:48Z

http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/1594771251/ref=pd_rvi_gw_1/103-1863374-7366266

The veves were drawn by our erstwhile moderator, Kathy Latzoni: Shannon McRae offered invaluable advice on an earlier draft of this manuscript.

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Spiritual Writers Contest

2007-10-14T22:00:03Z

Greetings,

In honor of the 7th Annual Community Ancestral Feast hosted by Forces of Nature Metaphysical and Spiritual Center of Seattle, WA ,SpiritMovin, a group dedicated to writings related to african and native spirituality, is holding a contest for writing that relates how your Ancestors have helped you to overcome adversity, protected you, or warned you of an impending situation that required your attention.

You may submit up to 3 entries, none to exceed 1000 words.

To enter go to this link:

www.writerscafe.org/contests/2768/

Live Peacefully,
Forces of Nature Metaphysical and Spiritual Center
Seattle WA

www.fonspiritualcenter.org

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More on Obeah

2007-10-10T19:21:51Z

I just joined this tribe and would like to extend a greeting - Hello and thank you.

After going to Jamaica for a while and living in the Coastal South for years, I was exposed to only a few glimpses are references to Obeah. From what I've understood about it, from being in those places, Obeah is highly respected, but treated like a snake by many; only approached sometimes, and always at a distance.

I would like to see if anyone knows any more indepth resources on Obeah, I've googled most of what I could find on the net, including articles of it's influence in the West Indies and Caribe.

If you know of Obeah, please share.

Thank you again,
Will

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Dreaming of the loa

2007-10-04T01:47:34Z

I'm slade, and I am not sure if I have posted here before or not ( I have sporadic Net access). Okay, recently I have been having multiple dreams concerning the loa. this is not the first time I have dreamed of them, as some of them approach me in dreams to communicate with me. But these dreams seem a little different.

In the first one, I was listening to a woman I knew was a Mambo (not a person from my "real life"), and she was holding both my hands and telling me that "I was the strongest of them" (I understood this to mean in a past life) and that "they needed me" (which I understood to mean as they (loa??) needed me in this life). I do not remember what else she said, but the above was the most important.

A few days later i had a similar dream with similar content, but I do not remember the details.

A few days later, I dreamed I was in the cemetery walking in circles around the graves of my paternal grandmother and grandfather. I got the strong feeling from this that I need to set up a shrine to them (which I will do).

I emailed a Mambo I know slightly in new orleans and asked her opinion, but she did not respond. She may have just been busy or maybe it was inappropriate to ask, I don't know. I am not sure what I need to do, if anything. Any thoughts on this?

Thanks!
slade

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houngans/mambos in chicago

2007-08-17T04:10:34Z

are there any houngans/mambos out there in the chicagoland area?

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Tonight in the East Bay!!!

2007-08-10T22:41:38Z

Come As You Are Coven welcomes you to

Ancestors & Orishas New Moon Circle
August 10, 2007
8 PM sharp (doors are locked at 8:15 when we cast the circle)
Berkeley Yoga Studio C
2121 Bonar St (directions below)
Berkeley
$10
____________________________________________________________________________

Have you been wanting to work with Oya, Chango, Oshun or some of the
many other Orisha, but have been scared they would "kick your
butt?!!!"
Are you fearful of being accused of appropriation, or going outside
your tradition?
Not familiar with who the Orisha are or what they represent?

Fear No more!!!

CAYA - Come As You Are - offers a New Moon ritual where we discover
the beauty, power and love of the Orisha. Reclaim your power, memory
and connection to the Ancestors!!!

This week we will invite to work with us Papa Legba, also known as
Esu, and Elegba.
The Guardian of the Cross Roads, The Messenger, the Trickster!
Come and join us in getting in touch with our trickster energy!
Discover the power and the mystery of Bugs Bunny, Anansi, and many
other legendary tricksters!!!
Discover an Ally who can help you not only open doors but discover the
right one for you to go through!

Please bring drums, rattles, and other noisemaking devices, your own
folding chair if it is uncomfortable to sit on pillows on the floor,
and anything you wish to place on the altar.
__________________________________________________________________________

Directions: Drive on 80 till you reach the University Avenue exit.
Take University toward the campus. Make a right on Bonar (at the Shell
Station) and go one block till you reach Addison. The Studio is in
Strawberry Creek Design Center.

Take BART to North Berkeley. Walk up Sacramento to University. Make a
right and walk down to Bonar. Make a left on Bonar and walk on block
to Addison. The Studio is on your left in Strawberry Creek Design
Center.

Take 51 Bus to exit nearest Bonar (at the Shell Station.) Follow
walking directions above. For info, please call Rabbit 510-355-7912

Website: http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/CAYACoven

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A couple of Vodou-related events in the fall (Maryland and New Mexico)

2007-06-27T00:37:41Z

On October 11-14, Kenaz and I will offer a workshop track at Mythical Journeys, a three-day intensive event held in Darlington, Maryland. There are only a few spaces left in our track -- and the all-inclusive price is quite reasonable -- so if you're interested you may want to sign up soon.

http://www.freespiritgathering.org/fallevent/vodoun.html

If you live on the West Coast, don't despair; Kenaz will be presenting at the Albuquerque Voodoo Conference on October 26-29.

http://www.spellmaker.com/VoodooConvention/interest.htm

If anyone has any questions, feel free to send them our way. If we can't answer, we'll try to put you in touch with the organizers.

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devil, spirit world etc

2007-06-10T06:19:04Z

I have an interest in this because I am dealing with some schizoid delusions (or realities) involving the selling of my soul to the devil and subsequent damnation and the waiting for death so i can burn for all eternity. I am starting to learn about jung and reality tunnels as well as other form of spirituality like shamanism, egyptian meditiation, voudon palo, and lukumi and I am not sure if the voices i hear are real or not, or who they are. But I seem to have a conscious in my mind that tells me i have sold my soul and am damned and heading for hell. Sometimes he identifies himself as satan, many times he calls himself "me."

I have several theories as to why all this is happening. I have led up till recently a life containing a caustic family realtionship. I fought and argued with my brother and parents for many years and I am very ashamed of the evilI I have comitted verbally and in the uncontrolled use of my temper.

I now fear it is too late since this is what the voices tell me. I initially began having enormous dread in crowds and hearing a dark male voice telling me bad things about myself. this was under the influence of marijuana. At this time my family issues were not being adequately worked on and I was struggling in college.

Eventually, when high, the voice identified himself as the devil. One time, when high I sold him my soul and immediately knew that i was going to hell and going to burn for all time.

A lot of this might have to do with imprinting of religious ideas and projections. The actuall beings i hear may be thought complexes or personalities from my collective unconscious that have found my ego and like to intrude on it.

I have heard schizoid thought is a defense mechanism that is caused by stress and that this is my particular defense mechanism. I am convinced my family relationship and negative actions influenced this whole process.

I am wondering if you understand or can offer any insight into this. And if you can point me to any authors or thinkers or philosophies that could provide assistance.

I was wondering if this is my personal god or lower power, and is it evil and mean becauseI was evil and mean? OR is this the inner power that was in my since birth that has shaped my actions from the unconscious since birth. (I often think i am a demon, or was just born bad, and the voice often agrees that I am demonic or a bad seed)

In public i am distraught because I think I have connections with other lost souls who are also grimly awaiting merciless punishment in hell.

I also hear voices in public that make me think i am picking up other peoples thoughts but only if the thoughts have to do with my status as a damned soul, a person that "is finished" and that "nothing can be done for."

Well I just wanted to see if you could offer any advice.

thank you,

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A friend in need of serious help

2007-06-07T05:01:43Z

I have a friend who is in serious trouble and needs help. A lot of help. He is psychically attacked by his landlady and this since months back. She has harassed him, and sucked his energy for months. He has worked his ass off for her for months and this is how it ends. Maybe one of you can help him somehow. This is a letter he received from her today when he came back from work. At the end he attached his own notes. You are more then welcome to mail me if you have any suggestions.

Letter from B. W. dated 6/6/07

I read your letter. When I agreed to let you rent the apartment it was for $700/month. This was reduced if you did the landscaping. The $700 goes back to October. Since you are not able to fulfill your part of this verbal agreement you owe the $100 from October through May.
That would be $700 minus the $100 dollars in the envelope. You did not inform me of all your physical problems when you moved into my home. You still owe $300 on the deposit.

I rented to you are the praises of your friends T. and J. Also, T. K. said you were a professor. He also suggested cutting the rent if you do the landscaping. It was his suggestion along with T. and J., that I rented to you. You have said you would give me a Curriculum vitae(?) and the one you showed me was not up to standard. But I will let that ride for now.

The water bill is going up 48% and the NIPSCO (gas and electric) bill is going up. This means my bills will go up. The rent will have to be increased.

Also, Please do not involve my friends in my business. I do not appreciate your using her and be manipulative. T. K. is another one you have talked about my affairs with. My business is my business.
You are a big boy so act like one.
I am sorry you are not well. You did not inform me of your ails when you moved into my home. You have stressed me physically and emotionally with your actions and your negative attitude. I cough when I am stressed. I am tired of this business so I think for yourself and my health you should move on. Perhaps, the U of C. San Diego would like to have you rejoin their faculty.

This is the letter a received after working with mentally impaired teenagers all day long. I broke my finger planting flowers for B. S. can testify as to my work well over $100 that I have done each and every month since I have moved in here..weather it was wracking leaves or shoveling snow..I have worked more than $100 worth of work each month. Because I broke my finger doing her landscaping I am unable to do more work for her but I assure you the landscaping completed would cost 400-500 dollars at least.
I told her on the phone if she wished to get a lawyer he can contact me and that all further conversations should be in written word.
I never taught at the U of C San Diego and for those who have read my Curriculum vitae you will find it on my web page, it is still under construction but I think you will find no one has worked harder and been more professional in academia.
I have no money for food since starting work my food stamps are gone, my unemployment check is gone...so A guy from work lent me some money for food..I stopped at Walmart to buy her a hose for watering out of the kindness of my heart and money I did not have...arriving home to this letter. Yes, my friend has offered shelter in Sweden, but I have worked for this woman all winter and spring and all to enjoy Lake Michigan that lies just a few steps away. I worked for summer peace. I just got home from a hard day of work with a 12 hour shift tomorrow. Please send what protection you can my way..and if your a lawyer send advice.
Thank you

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Get your Mojo Flowin'

2007-04-26T02:58:12Z

Dear Group and Moderator,

Just recently came across a call for some healing sexual energy needed to help promote world peace, balance and Mother Earth.

Between Nov. 17 to Dec. 22, Get your mojo flowing.....Concentrate on a thought of helping the planet before, during or after self -love or partnered love sessions. For more info, www.globalorgasm.com

As a daughter of Oshun, I will do my part to help out and do see a need for more love and happiness.

Thanks for helping get the word out!

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study

2007-03-12T17:54:27Z

I am new to this energy but I feel a connection. Does anyone know any places to study in Atlanta?

peace

leigh

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Vodou World

2007-02-23T03:47:24Z

Visit our website
http://www.vodouworld.com

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Graveyard dirt swap!

2007-02-06T18:31:12Z

So I was just lamenting how hard it is to find graveyard dirt from certain graves just when you need it. With that in mind, I thought we could offer to collect some to mail to each other. The idea is we post what we need and/or what we can get and hopefully somebody can help us out.

At this point I'm in desperate need of graveyard dirt from a poet's grave. Most any poet of repute will do. If you live in or near Aspen, CO, there's one in particular there that would be especially perfect. If you're in NYC, there are also a number of good poets resting there.

As for what I can offer, I live in Alabama and can help out with needs here. I also live just a few hours from New Orleans and I'm planning a trip there soon, so I'm planning to collect there, especially near Marie Laveau's tomb (with, of course, a big offering of whiskey!).

So if you can help out or if you have anything else to offer or that you'd like, join the thread!

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Last-minute plug for K's radio appearance (and Mambo Blu's art)

2007-01-31T03:31:29Z

Speaking of Vodou, here's a shameless last-minute plug for my domestic partner's radio interview tonight (she's the author of _The Haitian Vodou Handbook_):

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http://www.healing-visions.com/radio.html

I (Kenaz, that is) will be on the air a little after 11p Eastern time (8p Pacific) and will be on until midnight/9p. If you want to call in and chat, the number is 800.920.3717. This is my first online radio interview, so please be gentle.

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...and, while we're at it, another shameless plug for my initiatory godmother's Vodou bottles:
http://labelleboutey.com

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Perfume Offerrings

2007-01-31T00:27:47Z

Besides the usual Florida Water, I know that there are some specific perfumes for certain lwa. Like Anais Anais for Ezili Freda. And Reve D'Or for Ezili Dantor. I've heard that Bain de Champagne (that comes in a cute little champagne bottle) has been used for some rites. Also, I've seen older accounts of Chanel No. 5 being sloshed out for rituals.
I'm curious about the Caron Bain de Champagne if anyone knows about it. Anyone out there in tribeland have any experience with these commercial products being adopted for spiritual uses?

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Vodou Chat room LIVE!!!

2007-01-21T10:35:23Z

Bon jou oui,

As you may know MSN and Yahoo no longer have chat room created by
its Members. We feel it will be a great idea to provide Vodouisants
w/ a chat room where they can make friends, network and teach others.
Former Yahoo and MSN users now frequent Buzzen which is similar to
MSN. This is where we have our Vodou Chat Room.
Please visit us when time permits and talk about Vodou Live.
Vodouisants w/ experience are encouraged to join to help the newbies
and of course feel free to advertise your Groups.
Two ways you can get to the Vodou Chat room
1) Go to www.Buzzen.com ~~> People & Chat (Located on Top) ~~>
Religion (located on the Mid-lower left) ~~~> and you should see the
room "Vodou"
2)The second way is to simply click on this link which will take you
directly to the Vodou Chat Room
http://www.buzzen.com/chat/chatroom.php?rhx=564f444f55

Oh and it is Free chat

Mesi anpil,

Move Tan Silans

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Authentic Mambo/Houngan in New Orleans or Atlanta

2007-01-03T17:10:15Z

Hi all--

I'm trying to find a good, genuine Mambo or Houngan. I live in Alabama, so New Orleans is not that far. Can someone recommend a worker in the area where I live? I'm within easy driving distance of New Orleans, Atlanta, and Nashville.

Thanks!

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bamboulah

2006-12-11T04:25:57Z

any drummers or anyone for that matter know the chant and drum rhythms for bamboulah

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New member

2006-11-21T18:31:42Z

Hello everyone.

My name is Jonathan and I'm looking for Vodou practicioners in the Chicago area.

I've been reading as much as I can about Vodou for the past few years, I've made a few trips to the Vodou oriented spots in NOLA (and yes, I do realize that these places are not representative of authentic Vodou), etc...I'm interested in taking my study further.

I have a very intense attraction to the Baron and the Gede family. I was actually born nearly 3 months early, on November 2nd. It's almost as if I was meant to be born that day, instead of the middle-end of January.

Anyone have any suggestions for me?

I've been answered by a few people from the Racine camp...but I've heard a lot of crazy stuff regarding that particular group. I have no idea if any of it's true or not, but what I do know is that when I do internet searches on Vodou, something related to her comes up EVERY TIME, and I can't decide if that's a good or bad thing.

So any advice or tips any one can share would be incredibly helpful.

Thanks!

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Yes, I know it's not authentic Haitian vodou, but...

2006-11-17T00:30:05Z

it was an amusing news item anyway: http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/11/16/D8LE8F0O3.html

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new to this tribe

2006-11-16T23:38:44Z

hi voodoo people!
I am a new member and was glad to find you ...still studying , reading and learning about voodoo rituals and practice.
Would like to find out if there is a Festival.
Oshuna

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