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I always meet a nice guy, up until I bring him home, they see my bookshelf and say oh, you do voodoo, I'm not eating any of your food, and I'm like what you mean by that, and they always say something dumb like, I aint eating no voodoo spaghetti, I get tired of hearing it!!
I'm not gonna hide my books or tarot cards, does anyone else go through this, I just want some love : )
Peace
Lena
I'm not gonna hide my books or tarot cards, does anyone else go through this, I just want some love : )
Peace
Lena
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Fri, October 2, 2009 - 3:28 PMI wonder if in this case it wasn't some sexual fear this person had in regard to you and vodou, and being manipulated, or whether he just misinterpreted your interests.
Tarot cards aren't vodou. Classically this term would be "voodoo" to most people, and I doubt tribal Africans use tarot cards.
If you just want some love, force him to pay attention to you rather than your book collection. Using voodoo, of course.
How's Detroit?
Thank you Lena, this has been amusing.
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Fri, October 2, 2009 - 3:44 PMlol I feel you onthat...well the women i meet are like that also but i dont let that discourage me because one day i will meet someone that i will grow with spiritually...you do the same ;) -
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Fri, October 2, 2009 - 4:04 PMLOL, yeah it is amusing! And my tarots are just up on the shelf with the rest of my stuff, I dont know, maybe he was scared I was gonna try to put a spell on him or somethin, he seems to think it has something to do with not believing in god or what ever, I get tired of explaining the whole thing to new people, I grew up like this, so sometimes I forget that the outside world dont see things like me.
But yeah, It would be cool if I can find somebody to grow with spiritually, and Detroit is slowly getting put back together : )
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Fri, October 2, 2009 - 6:18 PMTarot are a way to understand God, as presented to us humans.
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Fri, October 2, 2009 - 10:31 PMYou metioned the Tarot. Tat is practically the only reason I'm interested. Shall I make a thread on that?
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Fri, October 2, 2009 - 6:15 PMHer or I? I don't need a woman. At all.
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Fri, October 2, 2009 - 4:03 PMI go through the same thing too... but the kicker is that the same people that luuuuvvvv to let me know that they gave their life to tha lawd.... are the same people that would always come to me to ask what they should do to help their nephew beat a court case, keep their man from cheating, or what kind of work could they do to get their papers straight from immigration.... its hilarious sometimes. But Mama... I feel your pain.... it get lonely some nights...lol
But look... you do what you do with honor and pride as you should.... in time you'll meet someone.... the only place I come and i meet likeminded peeps are on tribe, some of them are foine too .... buuuutttt, happen to live two blocks south of mars.... jeeeez -
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Fri, October 2, 2009 - 4:05 PMI know gurl!! Its some sexy brothas on tribe!!
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Fri, October 2, 2009 - 4:14 PMdont put spell on sumone unless they did u something now...bad business LOL
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Fri, October 2, 2009 - 9:09 PMMen especially African american men have an inbred fear of the supernatural thats why its your best bet to explain your religion upfront before you bring them home or when you do bring them home explain your religion and the things that intrigue you. Don't just laugh it off because even though they may pass it off as a joke there is some underlining fear or lack of knowledge that causes them to laugh or ask questions. You should know that most men are scared of the "other" realm, and in turn are scared of women. Women are interlocked with the mystique of magic and the otherworldly and men are scared of what they cant harness and what they cant see , this theory explains the Salem witch trials as well as the underlying hatred of women in male oriented society. So you just have to laugh it off as our silly little minds not catching the true beauty and power of the woman and her natural connection to a world we are only beginning to grasp. -
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Sat, October 3, 2009 - 10:50 AMYou shed great light o this Phillip, Thanx.
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Sun, October 18, 2009 - 5:43 PMPhillip, you are exactly right, even in the christian religion, you'll find twice or three times more women in the church than women. in christian churches, when they "catch the spirit" you rarely, if ever, see a man catch it. men are analytical, left brain. they are resistant to the spirit. my theory is that, as the penetrators (ie. they have a penis), most men are afraid of opening to "be penetrated", whether it's by spirit, emotion, vulnerability, whatever. women are the penetrated, we hold everything in our womb, good and bad. our minds, hearts, souls as well as our bodies are more open--literally and figuratively-- to be penetrated, in possession or taken over by emotion and sensation. men think more, women feel more. sensuality is the woman, and mystery....secrets locked inside that we hold in our wombs. that's why women can lie easier too i think. men, as much as they try to play macho, wear their hearts on their sleeves. just like their genitals hang outside of them, so they relate to the outside, the outer world. the woman relates to the inner world, the spirit and emotion. the woman hides things inside. anatomy reflects psychology and spirituality.... -
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Tue, October 20, 2009 - 7:28 AMLa ChicaRosa'
I totaly disagree darling'
The spirit that runs through your head and heart is the same spirit' it is only the body that is an opposite reflection' ie man/ woman'
>>anatomy reflects psychology and spirituality<<<
That is just very bad programing' if you where raised a male and never saw one' how would you no you where a woman'
Ego is a name game!
All your spiritual accompanyment is in exactly the same place mine is' your heart is on the left/emotion/spiritual self' meurtos to the right' nfumbe to the left'
I-Magi-Nation in the middle'
Personalty creates of sexuality' it has no thing to do with physical sex' being male or female' it is a cocktale of chemicals and a intertwined pattern of etheric light
We are all the same' one being one psychi conciousness'
you have a low oppinion of your fellow brothers sister'
Malembe
Love
Nobu Nganga +
>>>most men are afraid of opening to "be penetrated", whether it's by spirit, emotion, vulnerability, whatever'<<<
You should reflect love darling' then love and resiprocation shall Para Mi .:)
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Tue, October 20, 2009 - 7:59 AMThis might be somewhat true if indeed all men were 100% masculine and all women were 100% feminine, but i am afraid that it doesn't work that way in practice. We all have a bit of both in us and these statements you make are more clichés than anything else. We are not our bodies. -
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Tue, October 20, 2009 - 8:12 AMyes i totally agree that there has to be a balance and inclusion of masculine and feminine in all of us for us to be whole. to acknowledge one without the other is to circumcise oneself, to limit one's possibilities. perhaps i was a little too general in my last post. i did not mean to imply ALL males in my statement-- only those unbalanced who were hyper masculine and afraid of acknowledging and honoring the feminine, including the feminine within themselves. i'm sure we've all met those males who are unbalanced and afraid of emotion, afraid of surrender, afraid of losing their ego. these types of males i typically see who are resistant to the spiritual world, whether in christianity or paganism or african traditions. -
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Tue, October 20, 2009 - 8:18 AM>>>i'm sure we've all met those males who are unbalanced and afraid of emotion, afraid of surrender, afraid of losing their ego>>>
Women included'
You seem to think as an individualist' it is individuality that kills spirit'
All the same darling' living the same reflection' running the same spirit through evolutions coil' eternal stardust' all the same' shinning the same interwoven conciousness light'
Bliss!
Love
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Tue, October 20, 2009 - 10:01 PMAh Nobu your words are so poetic... sing it baby. I love listening to you.
Ache
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Tue, October 20, 2009 - 8:13 AMWe are not our bodies>>
Nicely put bro' conciousness is all the same spirit' multi-versal'
I spent a lot of time speaking with ladies' only subtle differences in biological wiring' I am no at liberty to express more'
Pa' to Lo Bwiti Nganga .:)
Nsala Malekun
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Fri, October 2, 2009 - 9:46 PMWell put my friend...its vice versa also -
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Sat, October 3, 2009 - 7:28 AMGood post phillip you are exactly right : ) thanks for your input!
And blackbeard, I use my tarot for a completely different purpose, my belief in god is not the same as others, but I would love to hear what you think about them, and how you use yours, I also work with runes as well. -
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Sat, October 3, 2009 - 10:37 AMno problem hope it helped
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Mon, October 5, 2009 - 9:48 AMVodun is something that really is a private matter. I know that, in the diaspora, many do their vodun openly; but, in original vodun, one has his temple and one has his house. The two are not generally together. When in Africa, before I got a temple, I eventually had to bring my voduns home....no one knew they were there. The voduns insisted on this!
I mention this because I think the original principal should hold true today. Why? Because folks, out of lack of knowledge, have misconceptions about African based spiritual systems. One should get to know you, first, before they know the intimacy of who you are.
To stop the misconceptions I would simply move my books. I live in a very conservative neighborhood. No one knows I do vodun! It isn't that I'm hiding it. It's just that in a bible belt south there is no need to bring about unnecessary problems on myself. As folks get to know me as a person it is easier, one day, if they discover that to which I practice. While the concept, I am speaking of, pre-dates Christianity...one even sees it in the church when the bible tells us that ....
Matthew 6:6 (New International Version)
6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Wedosi
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Mon, October 5, 2009 - 10:56 AM6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Prayer is for self edification'
You got big problems creating' as of when you pray to a masculine Father' these terms of the bible I see as enormous deceits'
The Father is the Sun and she is feminine the same as creation' the same as Love' the same as the spirit running through your heart and head is Feminine'
Standing on your left hand side'
male and female physical reflections' right hand men' left hand women'
Just my five on bible concepts :)))
Bliss!
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Mon, October 5, 2009 - 11:03 AMYou call on both father and mother in prayer, bring balance and acknowledge all energies involved. But i do like Wedosi's comment though on keeping your spiritual affairs to yourself. Not only not to bring unnecessary conflict but also as a way to protect your spirits... I know there are certain people I would not let into my home... especially around my altar thats partly why its in my room. Some folks homes I also would not set foot in either cuz of their energy... So yeah I understand. -
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Mon, October 5, 2009 - 11:10 AM:)))
Balance'
As always Crystal' spot on darling'
You give away your power by revealing your spiritual matters to folks'
Love and Light'
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Mon, October 5, 2009 - 1:00 PMMost of it is private, no one sees my alter, no one sees my candles, salts or herbs, feathers, etc, its just that he saw a few books that I had on the shelf, out of all my books those stood out to him the most, and I never bring anyone home that I dont know for quite some time first, I have known this guy for some years now, he knew that I was into something other than christianity, but I think its something about the word voodoo that makes people run and hide, I really dont see why people fear it so much, its such a beautiful thing, my love for it it runs extremely deep, it just hurts that some people are not open to others beliefs.
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Mon, October 5, 2009 - 2:28 PMPerhaps using a different word, like vodun, would help out. Or sit him down and say "Look, you've known me for quite a while -- I really wanna help clear some things up between us, 'cus I value you as a friend. So here, I want you to write down what you think you know about vodou, and I'll tell you my view when you're done."
Try pointing out things in popular culture that use "voodoo" and explain where they're coming from, and compare them to something similar from another religion that's blown out of proportion. Islam, Jehova's Witness, etc. might be good points. Men tend to react better to action than words, so having things on hand for him to see, read, or touch might help also -- when you're explaining the lwa, have a poppet or an icon, and explain what it does, for example. And if he's used to the traditional Christianity, point out the monotheism of Olodumare, and that the lwa are intermediaries for him, like the saints in Catholicism. Relating it back to things he knows might help clear the air. Vodou as a religion really has an awful hand in public media... especially with the sacrifices. But alleviating his ignorance is the best way to dispell the negative social image...
I'm sorry if I sound presumptuous or pushy, lol. I do hope things work out! :0 -
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Mon, October 5, 2009 - 2:56 PMYour not being pushy! LOL
That actually sounds like a great Idea, and I appreciate all the advice, were getting together again this weekend, so I will try it then : ))
thanks!
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Mon, October 5, 2009 - 3:43 PMDang Boka!!! thanks for dropping this jewel in my lap... cuz I'm sure gonna use it... YOU THE BEST BOO !!!
And you were in no way presumptious... you did this righteously bro... each one teach one.
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Mon, October 5, 2009 - 3:39 PM<<but I think its something about the word voodoo that makes people run and hide>>
Yeah and sad to say, I've found myself in some very defensive situations because of this. I am not an initiate of Vodun nor do I know the intricacies of Vodun, but to the "normals" anything anassigned to the norm apparently poses problems. How can I say I do not practice voodoo wthout it sounding as though I would not go near a lit candle, or make invocation to the Gods and Goddesses, share my joys, triumphs, and my life with these wonderful spirits. I am spiritual but not religious, a vast difference to those who are enlightened. But then it ends up coming down to trying to justify my spirituality to some ignant fool cuz they think what I do is of something inorganic to their beliefs, therefore being wrong or malefic. Then I end up feeling mad at myself in a way for entertaining their nonesense...Sucks huh?
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Tue, October 6, 2009 - 8:18 AMSadly this is all pretty true. Attitudes today are not all that much more enlightened then they were in the past. I consider myself fortunate in that i run in a very neo-pagan circle that tends to be fairly open to a great diversity of spiritual thought. Outside this circle i don't volunteer much about my practices, though i do not hide it either. As you probably have all figured out by now i tend to say what's on my mind and if the subject were to come up in more mundane circles i am certainly there in defense of the matter. But just as there are places like the work place where it is wise not to discuss politics, the same is perhaps truer for spiritual matters.
What you say about keeping house and temple separate is indeed wise Wedosi. Of course the problem with it is that few of us are financial capable of supporting this. My solution is that i keep a separate room in my house which i generally refer to as my "study" ( ;->) which serves as my temple space. As it is i am very select about who i bring into my household, but i still have the option to shut the door to this room if i choose to keep people out of my spiritual business.
There is a magickal axiom that comes from the Ceremonial tradition; "To Know, To Will, To Dare, To Keep Silence". I am all for trying to change the public perspective on Vodou, but still, my personal practice, the workings i actually do, are between me and my Spirits. Really i don't even share that stuff with my wife. And she is extremely open to it all. We actually met at a big pagan festival and one of our first "dates" was to attend a ceremony of the New Orleans Voodoo Spiritual Temple at that event (well, maybe the actual "date" took place after the rite ;->). Still, like our finances, we tend to keep our relationships with the Spirits separate. :-)
I guess i would suggest that it is perhaps easier to look for love within our own spiritual circles. It's not that we can't find love outside these circles, but it is so much easier if we don't need to spend the earliest parts of a new relationship convincing our mates that we are not the devil's spawn. I once dated a born-again Christian who made me watch Jimmy Swaggart after sex. Strange indoctrination method, that. :-D As you might imagine, we did not last long. They say that opposites attract, but that doesn't mean that they stay together for long after they do. A long lasting relationship needs some commonality of thought and practice to survive and prosper.
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Tue, October 6, 2009 - 11:00 AMI dont see why we should have to hide our beliefs. You dont see christians hiding their crosses. I'm not saying exploiting mysteries or telling secrets but if you have books then its not hard to say that the things in most of those books are no longer secrets. We should be far past the days when we had to hide our power our religion from slave masters eyes. We are in a "free" country were our religion is accepted and religion is a part of me and I would never want to hide a part of myself. -
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Tue, October 6, 2009 - 12:14 PMhehehe' Where I come from' no one has a clue of spiritual matters' they only believe in one Lwa :)))
So I get to dance with all of em and the spirits' also the folks that have no clue' come seeking me out'
I got to remind em though that Voudun+Palo has no thing to do with Hollywood' hahaha but Mi Zarabanda does love a chicken from time to time :)))
Smile' laugh' sing' be confident' be happy' the rest of em shall love you for it !
Blessings
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Tue, October 6, 2009 - 12:22 PMYes Phillip, i can see from your photo gallery that you are not about hiding ANY part of yourself. ;-> :-D
However, i think that you need to realize that not everyone in this group lives the same kind of out and free lifestyle as yourself. Some people work in big corporations or in government circles. Some people work in school systems where their superiors may not have a full understanding of these practices. It's great to be "free" and all, but it's generally a good idea to do it wisely.
You state that "we are in a free country where our religion is accepted" . Now which country is this that you speak of? It certainly isn't an "accepted" religion in the USA though it may at times find legal protection from time to time. Still, do a search on animal sacrifice in the USA and see how many people have actually been arrested and had their children taken from them for practicing their Vodoun or Santerian religious beliefs in this country. Try checking out the Midwest and the bible belt areas of the country and look for acceptance of Vodou.
I agree, we should not have to hide our beliefs. That doesn't mean that we need to wear them on our sleeves or get up in people's grill with them either. I don't hide mine, but i also don't advertise them. I don't deny them if questioned either. But i do practice discretion. My boss doesn't need to know my spiritual beliefs, nor do strangers. There is just no reason that they should. -
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Tue, October 6, 2009 - 10:40 PMWell I was not saying that you have to flaunt or wear your religion on your sleeve at all because I don't do that either. But I do not hide it if one wants to know about what I am interested in. The only reason people can bring down people is the fact that one hides their belief but if we could just say when we are asked that yes we believe this , this, and that and do this then how can they tear us down. Lets be honest, this is an African religion and in america we are the minority and therefore are going to be taken down at every turn. And hiding in shadows just gives them even more of the opportunity to slander people because of the misconception. And there is no being free half way either your free completely or still in bondage. I live in America and if asked by an employer what I believed i will gladly tell them and if I lose my job because of it , I expect the law to defend my right to believe in what I do. I personally believe work and private life are two separate entities that should not and have no need to mix. Vodoun is an accepted belief in america, protected by the law and amendments of the united states, and if one reads into the actual cases their were loopholes found in order to entrap the person holding said belief not the belief itself. In that case I could find loopholes to entrap a Christian or Muslim or jew. Religion is an extremely touchy subject in Law. -
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Wed, October 7, 2009 - 11:22 AMPhillip, at one turn you are saying that Vodou is an African religion and in America as minorities you will be taken down at every turn. Then you say that Vodou is an accepted religion and protected by the law. Which is it? If the law if shutting down ritual sacrifices which are intrinsic to the proactice of the religion what does it matter if it is by "loop hole" or not? It is still being done. Do you really believe that the simple majority of Americans "accept" Vodou as a religion? How is it protected if the law shuts down serves and arrests people for child endangerment for the practice of their religion? -
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Wed, October 7, 2009 - 9:04 PMI don't believe the majority of america accepts vodou as a religion but I do believe that wont change if we keep hiding. If the number of people actually band together and not let these kinds of things happen I do believe we could force a change to happen, but anytime a child is taken away from the home because of the parents belief people shrink into themselves, they hide to protect their own selves ( which I can understand and see no problem in). If that happened to a jewish child the Israel foundations would not hide and shrink itself. I'm not saying america actually follows what it preaches , I'm saying that we have to be there to call them out on it at every call. Not just one or two groups but every group. I think the religion is so splintered that when their is a problem there is no way to communicate through the community and come together. I am not saying that all minorities are taken out at every turn in america i'm saying the ones that cant or wont stand up for themselves will be run over by those who chose to do so. Just because its "legally" considered a religion does not make it accepted by the majority. I think another problem is lack of education , which in turn becomes fear and hatred. If classes on African religion were taught side by side in African history or if the synchronization between the African religion and catholicism because of slavery was studied in depth then maybe we can begin to paves road to true equality.
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Wed, October 7, 2009 - 2:20 PMI remember I brought the latina mama to my house a few years back and I had my altar built up after about year of ritual. She was all with it until she saw the altar. She freaked and called her mother crying and asking her to pick her up. She was literally terrified. I did not think any less of her. I realize the environment we live in with mass media and so-called intellectuals feeding the masses' superstitious fears and denial of the existence of the spirit world.