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Has anyone else heard of this deity ( www.godchecker.com/pantheon...ology.php )? I'm sure it's related to Ifa and the seashells, but I haven't heard of this "story" before, and found it intriguing (if not dubious).
Also, feel free to post other questionable tidbits of information you hear, so that we might help find out what's truth and what's fiction.
Also, feel free to post other questionable tidbits of information you hear, so that we might help find out what's truth and what's fiction.
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Tue, September 8, 2009 - 8:18 AMFa is IFA. We call it FA in Benin, AFA in Ghana, IFA in Nigeria. It is the West African Oracle (divination tool)....(IFA/FA/AFA).
Every priest/priestess, of Vodun, has FA. It is the first vodun made for you. Please refer to the Mami Wata site that Maggie has researched for divination. The priestess is discussing AFA which is the same as FA. In Benin, when we call this vodun in prayer we call him FA NA GU NU. We use the appelle with FA.
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Thu, September 10, 2009 - 1:31 PMInteresting... I'll do that.
So you have heard of the legend the article mentions, of Fa having sixteen eyes and gazing out of "cosmic windows" in order to view the past, present, and future (with Eshu closing and opening them)? It's rather interesting if that's the case. -
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 10:37 AMI am so sorry, I somehow missed your post. But I will respond now. YES! 16 is a very sacred number for FA. When I was in intiation, divination revealed that I, in addition to other things, was a diviner. So, a bokono (diviner) was sent for from Ghana (due to my speaking English). The bokono spent 16 days with me going over the beginning rudiments of divination. I learned many things but will need much more training and practice. Last year, I inherited the big (main) appella from the Ashanti tribe (my mother's ancestors). Apparently there were three female diviners in my ancestry. My husband had to do these ceremonies for me due to my being in the United States. The old diviner, at the age of 85, was told by the spirits to make appelle for a stranger that would come. At the age of 120, and near death, the voduns sent my husband to a village he did not know in Ghana. It is there that he encountered the old diviner. He was ill, blind and ready to join the ancestors. He told my husband about this appelle. We eventualy did the ceremonies to take the appelle. During the ceremonies the old diviner died in my husbands arms. After that it was divined with, the same appelle, that I was family and therefore inherited 3 sets of appelle (9 total). There were 3 diviners in my ancestry. When ever something important, in the Ashanti tribe, happens and this appelle is needed I or my husband must travel to Ghana. I have much to learn however.:)
Wedosi
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Tue, September 8, 2009 - 9:53 AMHere's a cool page about the Math of IFA.....sorry, but I don't know about the degree of validity of this page!
But it is interesting.............kind of reminds me of the I Ching, which is a binary system of 64 combinations of solid and broken lines. The I Ching is said to be contained by a group of Sages who originally brought the system into manifestation. The Oracle was said to have been made from a Turtle's shell.
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Sun, September 13, 2009 - 10:36 AMHm....Interesting stuff as you scroll down that page....about the relation of African math with the drumming and music!
Excerpt:
Oru are drum rhythms (toque) that honor IFA Spirits.
(compare Vedic Music and Torah Music )
Each Oru has 24 toques [compare the 24-cell and the 28 Torah Cantillation Signs]. The connections between rhythms and IFA show how music, mathematics, and nature are interrelated. For example, in Africa, rhymes are used to teach children about numbers and arithmetic. African music and rhythms have spread to other parts of the world, such as India, where scales (ragas) and rhythmical sequences (talas) have profound meaning. Here is part of a toque for Ogun.
www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmi...FA.html
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Tue, September 22, 2009 - 6:54 AMI happened to come across an interesting article by someone who does "Obi Divination" that is related to the IFA (or FA) divination.
www.sacramentopress.com/headli...Orichas
Four Shells, Five Answers: Obi divination - Mouthpieces of the Orichas
by Jacqueline Mathers, published on September 18, 2009 at 11:58PM
“Ago Obi, Ago Obi, Ago Obi”
The prayers begin for Obi, the system of divination from the Yoruba religion to obtain “Yes” and “No” answers to questions in various levels of intensity and meaning. This system, crucial to all in the African religious concepts under the major heading of Ifa and their various levels of dilution under the categories of Lukumi and Santeria, are a methodology of the ways Nigerian kola nuts (Obi Abata), fresh coconut meat (darle el coco) and four cowrie shells speak to us and are considered the ‘mouthpieces’ of the Orichas. The Orichas, as they are collectively known, are African based Gods and Goddesses of Nature who rule various places and elements of the World and are considered ‘guardian angels’ of each and everyone who inhabits the Earth. Each and every one of us is considered having that particular Deities’ “Ache” or “Spirit” and it is within the patakis, or stories of the Orichas’ interactions with each other and the World that the message is delivered.
Obi’s spirit, once mortal, ascended to being an Oricha once good deeds had been done, fell from Grace because of Ego. Upon descending to Earth, Obi’s spirit embodied the coconut palm tree. Although Obi cannot speak with his tongue, he communicates through the white (“clean”) side or brown (“dark”) of coconut meat. If cowrie shells are used, it is the side that has been filed open to indicate “Yes” (“clean”) and the closed ridged side that indicates a “No” (“dark”) side of the answer pattern that fell during questioning.
After prayers, I utilize Obi divination with cowrie shells to answer questions during a card reading using the Tarot of the Orichas. Obi gives clarity to questions regarding messages of the cards to a client. Clients can ask Obi a question and I may also be prompted to ask as well when the layers of cards upon themselves are not in association with the clients’ dilemma. Obi, not to be taken lightly, is regarded as a tool to help Mankind seek clarity in decision making, regardless of whether you are fully initiated into the religion or not. There are 5 levels to Obi; two affirmative or positive in different severities, two negative or “no” answers, and a “maybe” answer that needs a second question to extract a less ambiguous answer.
The five different shell patterns that will fall during a questioning session are as follows:
“Alafia” – “Yes with blessings!” – The most affirmative answer, it can be over eager in delivery and must have a second toss to confirm and secure the answer. The second fall of the cowries must be another “Alafia” or “Ejife” or “Etagua” answer to be taken as a “Yes” answer.
“Ejife” – “Yes” (but without emphasis) – This affirmative answer is interpreted as a “Yes, and your World is balanced”, meaning what you have proposed or achieved (or about to) brings balance to the contradictory struggles of the World to keep in harmony.
“Etagua” (or “Etawa”) – “Maybe” – This answer comes when the question needs clarification (posing it in a way to obtain a “Yes” or “No” answer) or Oricha is pondering the situation and needs a second question to be able to answer. When Etagua appears, the second answer of the second toss of shells is the true answer. If another “Etagua” (Etagua-Meji) falls after the first one, the meaning is “do not ask what you already know”.
“Okana” – meaning darkness is surrounding the client and a positive outcome is not available, perhaps without additional spiritual work. One open shell and three closed ones indicate to focus on the small beam of light in darkness.
“Oyekun” – The most serious “No” answer, it tells of being out of touch with spirituality and walking in darkness. A dire warning; it presages unforeseen problems, accidents, fires and even portends death. Additional questions need to be asked in the clients’ behalf to determine why Oyekun has come. Water must be sprinkled on Oyekun and if it appears more than once, the shells must be placed in water to ‘cool’ down the answer.
After the reading with me, the client has an opportunity to ask questions that were not addressed in the card reading. These may be additional clarity on the original shell toss or other unrelated questions on relationships and business strategies. Once we begin to receive multiple “Etaguas” to questions in an obvious pattern, this indicates that the line of questioning needs to end as the client is asking questions to obvious answers they are facing.
While not always an immediate answer, Obi gives insight on things to come. Clients who return for a follow up reading three months later will exclaim, “The shells were right! I just didn’t see it (the situation) evolving before me!” and other affirmations that indicate that revelations of Truth that Obi gives come true. For me, as well as over 70 million plus devotees of this African indigenous religion, we know Obi does not lie.
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Jacqueline Mathers, educator and author, uses Obi divination in her readings for clients. She is also a certified Rootworker in the Southern style of conjure, studying under Cat Yronwode. Many years of study of African based folkloric and religious beliefs have earned her the title “native informant” with various institutions of education in the Central Valley. She is also the producer of the Holistic Healing Expo in Elk Grove, CA and can be contacted at (916) 284-5552 or at jacqueline (at)tarotbyjacqueline.com -
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Tue, September 22, 2009 - 11:15 AMGlin, Glin Glin, Chabalongo
Glin, Glin Glin Dame Alafia
Nsala Malekun
Nobu Nganga +
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 7:41 AMMore about Fa or Ifa:
books.google.com/books
from a book called:
__Tribal Talk: Black Theology, Hermeneutics, and African/American Ways of 'Telling the Story'__ by Will Coleman
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Thu, November 12, 2009 - 8:35 AMthere is a book on that matter:
le fa
une géomancie divinatoire du golfe du bénin
autor: remy t. hounwanou
les nouvelles editiones africaines
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